I know its not cancer but FUCK big pharma for not curing Restless Leg Syndrome...FUCK!

[QUOTE=Ambivalid in response to a mention of Quinine]

Knowing full well how torturous restless legs can be, I’d say consider it. The big drawback to the medication is that it is a narcotic-despite being categorized by the FDA as a non-narcotic due to a molecular structure technicality of the drug-and as such carries the dependence and addiction risks of an opiate.
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Um wait, quinine? narcotic-like??? Are you confusing it with Ultram mentioned in another post? (rereading: you probably WERE referring to tramadol, just the way the quotes showed up it wasn’t clear)

Ultram (tramadol) yes, classified as non-narcotic though it works in a similar manner and has some risks of dependency (more than they originally thought, anyway).

Until I saw that you mentioned having sensation in your legs, I thought maybe you meant that you’re one of the “lucky” ones who has RLS symptoms in your arms as well. I’m cringing on your behalf, anyway - the thought of having RLS, and not being ABLE to move to relieve the sensation, sounds like a special place in Hell :(. I’m on an RLS list and we all joke about chopping off our legs, then finding that we’re experiencing phantom-limb symptoms.

Cite please? Quinine has been pretty well debunked as having any effect on RLS; some people still suggest trying under the misconception that RLS is a form of leg cramps (it isn’t).

Mirapex (pramipexole) and Requip (ropinirole) are both dopamine agonists (DAs) and for many are the first-line treatment for RLS. Neurontin and Horizant are also used (gabapentin and its prodrug) and I know people who have gotten some help from them; in fact my sleep specialists now use them as first-line in many people because the DAs have their own issues (including loss of effectiveness).

Narcotics (real and pseudo, i.e. Ultram) also have their place but aren’t first-line because of the dependency issues.

And benzos (clonazepam/Klonopin etc.) are indeed used, but my understanding is that they make you sleep despite the twitchies.

And there are a lot of aggravators, which you need to avoid. Being overtired. Some medications. Caffeine. On the “overtired”: in addition to RLS, I have excessive daytime sleepiness (tired/sleepy no matter how much sleep I get). My legs will be twitchy during the day if I’m sleepy enough - but when I take my wakefulness medication, they settle right down.

Since I have ADD and I take high doses of Adderall or Vyvanse, which work on dopamine, I don’t think the dopamine agonists would be a good plan for me.

I remember klonipin working, but it’s brutal stuff.

Who invited Bitch Pudding?

Hah - yeah, quite possibly so. I know next-to-nothing about how the ADD meds affect the dopaminergic system and what kind of interactions there might be.

As a side note: there’s some research going on now about glutamates and brain chemistry and RLS, that I’m hopeful that might lead to some longer-term treatments.

Hey, guys? I’ve been jerking away here for a while, but someone seems to have forgotten the “circle” part… A little help?

[QUOTE=Drunky Smurf]
Who invited Bitch Pudding?
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Awwww, Drunky, so cute how you’re trying to get my attention. I see you, sweets, and I’m very flattered. Xo

You started with the douchbaggery with post #3 long before anyone took you to task. You continued with post #13, and descended even further into douchbaggery with post #33 (what is it with you and posts that end with 3?) I stopped looking for examples of your idiocy at that point.
On top of that you have insulted a couple of very well respected posters Jackmannii and QTM who both have probably forgotten more about this subject than you will ever know.
Grow up little girl, you don’t know 1/10 of what you think you know.

I’m sure Jackmannii and QTM can speak for themselves, but so funny that you feel you need to defend them against a “little girl”. I’ve acknowledged the posters here who gave me answers to my questions without resorting to patronizing. I don’t think I know anything about this subject, which is why I asked. There are posters here who know how to effectively fight ignorance regarding how some view (through misunderstanding) the practices of drug companies. They will be able to change minds through effective communication. You will not.

“Grow up little girl” omg I’m still laughing. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard today.

You and your cronies are a funny bunch.

Regardless of how much you’d like to put me over your knee, um…I mean “take me to task”, I’ll bow out and let you have the last word on this, since that seems to be what you so desperately need.

No, you’re not. (If you really are, you can probably get meds for that.)

I doubt it.

Very gracious of you.
Although a little hard to believe.

Now, please close the door and stop interrupting the circle jerk. This is embarrassing don’t you know?

Girlundone, you’ve won me over in a sort of Drunky Smurf sort of way.

It’s hard to exactly explain what I mean by that, but I kind of put dopers into their own categories in my mind, and up until this moment, Drunky Smurf was in a class of his own.

If I had to write a description for it though, I guess it would be, “Dopers who I like, who are pretty funny, and are generally terrible people who I disagree with and who say stupid, ignorant things a lot. But I love 'em because they are so rascally, and they are pretty awesome in the way that they are assholes.”

Drewtwo99,

Call me an ignorant fool. Tell me I’m a worthless piece of humanity, a waste of air, a stupid bitch my mother should have aborted…but compare me to Drunky Smurf?!

Good God, man, what kind of a monster are you?

golf clap

You win. I really like you :smiley: