I’m fuzzy on the meaning of Right wing / Left wing. Political, not aviary ;-}

Here is what I know. Left over from Junior High. After lots of years.

There is a big room, the “house” of something. It is/was in France. If you felt ** this ** way politically speaking, you sat on one side of the “house” , and if you felt **that ** way you sat on the other side, (I see in my imagination a U shaped house, like the house of reps, or the UN). OK so far? I guess the further you sit to one side or the other, the more “radical” you are - that is - where you sit demonstrates just how deeply held your convictions are on the subject of your political ideologies. So a “right wing radical” would just as soon blow up your house to illustrate just how far away his ideals are from the ones who sit to the extreme “left” - NO? What is the ideology of “The Left” and what is the Ideology of “The right”? Is it Democrat/Republican? Male/Female? Ying/Yang? Now remember where we are, I’m looking for the traditional answer, as a base to go on, not opinions . Please try not to laugh, I never use these terms because I don’t know what they mean. Perhaps some of you can set me straight on it. Being my age, I feel I should know this. But have never been quite clear on it, and never really understood it when I looked it up. Further, I never took PolySi. - (except in high school)

Thanks!

First of all, the political spectrum is a circle, not a table. If you go far enough right you’ll eventually end up left-wing. Generally in the US right-wing means Republicans and left-wing means Democrats, but that isn’t always true, and that’s not necessarily true of other countries. I think, and I could be totally wrong here… but in Europe, “right wing/left wing” is most distinguished by immigration platforms & programs that favor a nationalist approach versus a globalist one, whereas in Asia “right wing/left wing” corresponds to libertarianism & authoritarianism.

I can’t emphasize that the spectrum is a cycle enough. Fred Phelps, an extreme right winger, is one of the most vehemently anti-American people on the planet and a literal flag-burner. Look at www.libertypost.org for many, many examples of people who have gone so far right that they’ve gone left… many of the most extreme right-wingers don’t support Iraq, and they will support unions over big businesses, for example. Although their justifications are a little different… big businesses=international anti-American entities, Iraq=none of our damn business because we’re isolationist, etc.

Very generally, in the United States “the Right” is socially conservative, and tends to vote Republican, while “the Left” is socially liberal and tends to vote Democrat. The Right tends to be more pro-business, while the Left tends to be more pro-environment.

I did a quick Google and the differentiation comes from the seating in the French National Assembly, formed shortly after the 1789 revolution, which I would guess is the body referred to in the OP. I had always wondered about this term myself, so I guess I’ve made my night.

First and foremost, there isn’t an objective, true “left” and “right” political perspective from which to view all political issues and questions – it’s a schema, an observed distinction, poorly defined, and therefore best understood by immersion and observation of how the people who use the terms apply them – something which changes with circumstance and time.

People who use the terms often (and without enclosing quotation marks) are likely to subscribe to the belief that there is a liner continuum of political beliefs. They are unlikely to say, as dre2xl does, that the far left loops around and becomes the far right, and are far more likely to perceive far left and far right as polar opposites.

Critical perspectives on “left” and “right” dismantle the terms in many different ways, e.g., -

• As per dre2xl, claiming that the far right and far left are in some sense in the same direction towards something, and therefore away from something else, so therefore the continuum is defined wrong. One example of a specific claim of this nature is made by anarchists: that you would learn more by drawing a continuum from Authoritarian/Coercive to Cooperative/Free, and that when you did so you’d see that “far left” and “far right” are just different superficial ideologies to justify Authoritarian/Coercive. The anarchist would also say that the traditional “left-right” continuum hides the fact that the other end of the pole – Cooperative/Free – is effectively omitted from the political road map of possible perspectives.

• Enlarging on that criticism, the libertarians like to work with a two-dimensional map with an x line and a y line – using one line for Economic Collectivity versus Economic Individualist and the other line for Authoritarian versus Cooperative and locating political perspectives at various points on the resulting plane rather than as points on a single line.

• In one of the current threads for conservatives who are disaffected with the current US Republican party (or at least with George W Bush as its current standard-bearer), there is a very good dissection of “conservative” (aka “right wing”) into several different belief systems that aren’t intrinsically interwoven or derived from each other: economic conservatism (fiscal responsibility, minimal federal programming, minimal tax burden), international-military conservatism (“hawks”, believers in American global hegemony and military dominance), social conservatism (the “religious right”, other advocates of governmental imposition in moral matters), decentralists (states’ rights, individual rights advocates), and various flavors of domestic order-preservers (immigration-limit proponents, law-and-order advocates, people who want stronger rule enforcements). You could do a similar deconstruction of what is considered to be “the left”.

• The point is often made, especially on this board, that the prevailing American sentiment seems to be economically conservative (lower taxes, trim the fat from spending, balance the budget, pursue a sensible fiscal policy) and socially libertarian (“pro-choice” about everything – knock down all official barriers to any behaviors that aren’t criminal or directly harmful, let people do as they please). This sentiment does not map nicely onto the conventional left-right continuum.

• “Left-right” is used as shorthand in the US (as is “liberal-conservative”) for Democtratic Party aligned versus Republican Party aligned. But both parties’ primary reason for existence is to win elections and continue their viability as parties, and they will switch views and belief systems over the course of years as strategy (or, less kindly, they’ll pander their butts off to get into or stay in power). So policies that were considered “of the left” because the Democratic Party was pursuing them may be described a decade later as “of the right” because the Republican Party is now promoting them. And vice versa, of course.

In short, everyone is fuzzy on the meaning of “right wing / left wing” because the terms don’t have definitions aside from “they mean what the person using the terms meant when they used the terms in the context in which they used them”.

Note that in a given situation, the meanings of rightist and leftist can be turned on their heads, at least with respect to the traditional meanings described above. For instance, with regard to Russian politics a Communist from the old school may well be called conservative, or even right-wing.

I once read an article that defined the spectrum in terms of one’s tolerance for change and reform:

A Radical wants to completely overthrow the establishment right now, and start over from scratch.

A Liberal does not want to overthrow everything, but does want to speed up the reforms.

A Moderate thinks things are progressing nicely as is.

A Conservative thinks things are changing too rapidly, and wants to make sure that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

A Reactionary thinks things have changed too much already, and wants to go back to “the good old days”.