I may regret this... Ask the doctor working in a psychiatric hospital.

OK.
I know a lot of people here have strong beliefs about mental health services and the provision thereof. I am not trying to annoy you on purpose.

If I can answer questions about mental health provision (specifically within the NHS) I will.

If I can answer questions about working in mental health generally, I will.

I will not discuss individual cases (the worst/best/weirdest/saddest etc).
I will not give medical advice (if you’re concerned , see your own doctor).
I reserve the right to make up other rules about what I won’t answer at any time.
Other than that, if you want to know what it’s like working in a large (100 bed) psychiatric hospital that was originally built as an asylum some time in the 1800s…well, go ahead and ask.

OK. what’s it like working in a large (100 bed) psychiatric hospital that was originally built as an asylum some time in the 1800s. Make me not think of Hogwarts or St. Mungo’s.

Does it look like … an asylum?

This brings back memories of my own clinical in the 1980s on a locked ward. I found I could not be a psych nurse because the manics revved me up. I found myself getting hyper around them, trying to talk as fast as they did and laughing at their flights of ideas–genuinely enjoying them and (almost) able to keep up, not laughing in a mocking way.
I find insane people to actually be very genuine in important ways. Anyway, carry on. And good luck!

How are dangerous (violent and/or self-harm) patients managed?

Is it anything like how it is depicted on various films?

(People with random peculiarities wandering or sitting in the ward as the camera tracks backwards or forwards through the ward.)

I know it’s a naive thing to wonder, but I’ve always been fascinated with the fictional version of these places. I did hang around a real pysych hospital as a Kid (my Dad was a nurse there) and there were a lot of odd people wandering about. One guy gave me bits of plastic he’d found lying around.

How long does the average person receiving in-patient services stay?

Does your facility use ECT? If so, what sort of results have you seen from it? (I hope that’s not too specific for you.)

Does your facility treat criminals, or those awaiting trials or hearings for criminal complaints?

How are you handling the work? Do you like it, or not?

I am curious about working as a physician within the NHS.

I realize that is an enormous topic, but generally, how is it? What is your largest frustration at your workplace related to working within the NHS? What is your favorite part of working for the NHS?

Have you ever interned or done foreign medicine rotations in the United States, and if so how would you compare the practice of medicine in the United States?

Even as recently as a year ago, I’d have had all the mental images of a psychiatric hospital that anyone who’s seen a Hollywood movie would have.

I’d have said that most of psychiatry is nonsense, that people with addiction, depression, ADHD or bi-polar illnesses just need to buck up and get their heads together.

Any medical professional working in a psych hospital has my respect - you’re the ones working with people that don’t have broken bones, or damaged kidneys to fix. Getting into a head, and helping someone get right that way seems like it’d be MUCH more challenging, and thus - more rewarding.

Good on ya!

I know you’re not the OP, but I’m hoping you’d be willing to explain what caused you to change your mind.

Pretty please. With lithium on top? :wink:

Personal experience.

One of those people that felt like this…

…until I went through a good chunk of that myself.

In depressed states, I am totally and completely lethargic, non-involved…don’t want to do anything but curl in a ball and lie on the couch. That’s a small portion of the time though - the rest, I’m the textbook version of hypomania. Google that and read it, and put my picture there. Unless I completely force myself to focus, I can’t do anything that one would reasonably call a ‘task’ for more than a few minutes at a time.

I went to see a mental health provider - and have spent time in the last year being treated - sometimes chemically, sometimes through therapy. I’ve been more focused in the last 6 weeks or so, and am doing much better at virtually every aspect of my life. Hell, my marriage is better even.

I’d always figured people with syndromes like that were lazy, or could ‘fix’ themselves, and avoided any kind of treatment because I come from a generation (I’m 48) where a lot of people still attach a stigma to seeking that kind of help.

You know what? The hell with them - it’s helped me.

Back to your regularly scheduled “Ask the…” thread.

Does anybody actually think that they’re Napoleon Bonaparte?

Thanks for the explanation. I’m sorry to hear you had to learn through experience. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. I’m glad to hear that you’re doing better. I hope it keeps working for you.

Thanks. Most of my life the past 30 years or so have been like this, I always figured I was just moody. Last summer I went into such a prolonged, deep funk that I sought help. You learn a lot about yourself, and some of it hurts, but in the end it works.

Signed,

Napoleon Bonaparte
:wink:

Okay…that was …swifter than I anticipated.

Bear with me here.

Inigo Montoya- It’s a big gear change from acute medicine. I spend a lot of time chatting to people and watching TV, not so much time sticking needles in people.
It’s a big red-brick Victorian building set in lovely parkland with some more modern buildings in the grounds which house our acute wards and the care of the elderly unit. It looks like what it is, but not necessarily in a bad way. It’s quite nice architecturally. I suppose it could be a school or an old people’s home or a medical hospital. It doesn’t look like a hotel or a stately home because it looks a bit…state-owned and governmental, but it’s not surrounded by barbed wire with crazy people screaming all the time or anything.

Swallowed My Cellphone- there are different levels of observation.
At best you can go out on weekend, overnight or week long leave, where you go home for days at a time and just check in once a week with us for a few hours to pick up your meds and see how things are.

I could decide you can go out for the day but have to spend nights on the ward. You might be able to leave the grounds unsupervised for short periods, but stay on the grounds the rest of the time. Then getting more severe I could limit you to free unsupervised periods on the grounds, limited unsupervised time on the grounds, unlimited supervised time on the grounds, limited supervised time on the grounds, ward based (you cannot physically leave your ward) and special observations, which is when you have a dedicated nurse within either eyes sight or arms length at all times.

One step up from special obs is transfer to PICU (locked ward). This is a single sex, locked ward where patients sleep in 6 bedded open bays and there is access to a quiet room (i.e. a padded cell).
I can elaborate further if you want.

Lobsang- our patients don’t wear scrubs or uniforms, we don’t segregate the sexes apart from PICU and while people do wander about, they generally sit and smoke or watch TV. We are not a prison. Generally our patients are less florid than those on TV, obviously because people barking and muttering to themselves makes for better TV than someone just wandering about quietly.
The one thing we absolutely do not do is lock people in small padded cells unless they are so aggressive that we cannot cope any other way, and then only until they are calm enough to move back to their bed. We also don’t use restraints, straps or straightjackets. At all. Ever.
Caricci- How long is a piece of string?
If they are not a danger to themselves or others they are free to leave at any time. We have people who stay for a few days, we have people who have been with us for 10 years. On average I’d say it is about 2 weeks, but it depends on why someone was admitted and how much they like being with us (some people don’t want to go home).
OtakuLoki Yes, we use ECT.
It’s more or less a last resort for depression no-one does it lightly and it’s hardly ever done one people who don’t actively want it.
Short-term…it works and has saved lives.

It’s not like the movies. You get a general anesthetic and a muscle relaxant- the seizure activity is measured on an EEG, not by muscle spasms, and the whole thing is over in about a minute. When you wake up you get tea and a biscuit. We do 2 sessions of up to 8 patients a week, and as most patient get about 10 sessions, you can see that as a proportion it is used pretty rarely.

If someone is mentally unwell then yes, we’ll treat them, awaiting trial or not. A lot of our patients are assessed by the forensic psychiatry team to determine risk beofre discharge. We try to minimise risk for known high-risk patients (e.g male staff members only for personal care, male staff present during interviews, possibly staying in the male locked ward etc) but it’s not a huge issue.

Because mental illness, substance misuse and crime go together, we do have a lot of patients who have forensic histories or who would be at risk of offending on discharge- however, most of them have served their time in jail (it’s quite hard to be legally insane, even if you have a mental illness) and deserve every opportunity to get on with their lives. You can’t lock people away because of what they might do.

My day is a lot quieter than in general medicine, I have to admit I’m still not so comfortable dealing with some of my patients (and in particular, some of my personality disorder patients) but I don’t mind the work. It’s not something I could do happily forever, but short-term, it’s fine.

threemae
Things I like about the NHS- that everyone will get the treatment they need…eventually.
My largest frustration with the NHS is with the way my profession is seen and how the government has totally shafted our training.
I won’t go into details because it is frightfully boring. All I’ll say is MTAS, Tooke Report and PMETB. I am damn lucky to have a job next year, and it is appalling how the system is run.

I’ve never worked in the USA, and, no offense, I don’t want to work there. I have classmates who have gone to work in America, and generally the feeling is that what you earn and your level of insurance cover governs the level of care you receive. That is anathema to me, I’m all for healthcare as a basic human right.
Mr Bus Guy- honestly, it would be nice to feel that, but I rarely feel like I, personally, have made a difference (that goes for general medicine too, not just psych). I’m a small cog in a big machine and we all have to work together to get the job done, often without thanks.

Psychiatry is especially hard because sometimes problems just aren’t fixable- I know you’re sad, but you’re sad because your horrible childhood has left you with a disturbed personality and no coping mechanisms- and no talking therapy or tablet is ever going to fix that. Sometimes all I can do is offer a tiny bandage for a gaping wound…but at least I offer it.

In medicine I could always offer pain relief and dignity, even if there wasn’t anything else I could do. In psych I often can’t even offer that, and I find that quite hard to deal with.

Sorry…feeling sorry for myself now. Keep 'em coming.

Is the NHS administered the same way in NI as it is in the rest of the UK?

Really Not All That Bright- Pretty much, yes. We’re all one big dysfunctional family.

ultrafilter- not Napoleon as such, but without getting into specifics there are patients who believe themselves to be someone other than they are. Often figures within the clergy, political system, legal system or well-known celebrities.

This being norn irn I also have some patients with delusions of belonging to paramilitary organisations…we often have to check quite hard to make sure that those particular beliefs are delusions, and not true.

Mr Bus Guy Thanks for sharing. Feel free to add anything you want or to correct me if your experience differs from mine.

irishgirl, I wasn’t trying to make you defend ECT. I know it’s got it’s uses, and I’ve even come out in support of having the ability to use it against the patient’s wishes. I just wondered because it is a hugely polarizing treatment, with a lot of misconceptions about it.

As for the question about patients in various stages of criminal proceedings the worst part of my own inpatient psychiatric stay was observing what was going on with a very violent (and I think hugely disoriented) patient brought over from the County lock up. It was one huge stress in an already stressful time.

I don’t doubt he needed treatment, nor do I think that the treatment should be stinted because he was picked up for some infraction. But, the safety concerns for us, and even more for the staff, were pretty real.

Thanks for the bedtime reading material. I’ve read some things in the Lancet and BMJ and some lower level British journals and a bit on forums about terrible mismatches between available jobs and training spots and a much larger number of available upcoming people to fill those spots, some surveys about the portion of trainees that have become seriously depressed or suicidal over the stress of trying to get a spot, etc.

If you’re ever interested, I certainly know that our system isn’t perfect, but there are a lot of great public and/or county hospitals that essentially do fill in most of the coverage gaps in the United States whose mission might align well with your values.

Sorry OtakuLoki- to be honest I’m not really sure how I feel about ECT, it’s just that there is so much One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest stuff out there that I sort of feel the need to defend it.

My own consultant doesn’t use it much, but I had to administer it as part of my training and induction to the hospital, so I can get a bit touchy about the subject. Some friends, for example said that I was torturing people by administering ECT, which is fairly upsetting. Sorry if it came across as snappish.

If we have someone come over to us from prison they go to PICU, if they’re just awaiting trial they’ll get special obs in a single bedroom until we can assess their risk to others. Any violence towards staff or other patients is an immediate trip to PICU.

Sometimes I feel like Supernanny where PICU is the naughty step…