I fundamentally do not see how I did any such thing.
Dude, several posters were mod-noted to not hijack the thread, then there was a general mod note to everyone to not post further hijacks, and then you came in with another hijack. And got a warning. That’s totally standard modus operandi here by the mods.
How is it a hijack to demonstrate that the Iranian people are not like their government?
Was that the subject of the thread?
The subject of the thread was the war in Iran. The attitudes of the Iranian people is relevant to that topic.
The attitudes of the Iranian people has nothing to do with the war in Iran.
Thank you to those trying to explain this, I don’t think they’re being obstinent or anything, but I find it frustrating they’re not getting it.
Of course it is. How could it possibly not be? The Iranian people are the ones who are going to have to live with the consequences of this war and decide what happens to their government in its aftermath. It’s also a topic that SEVERAL people are discussing in the same thread after my warning, to wit;
Are these posters also hijacking the thread?
I coulda swore we just finished a thread (that Smapti participated in) that made it clear that P&E was going to be modded more tightly when the question was posts that strayed from the OP. If only because tangential matters, no matter how germane, could be made into new threads with ease.
A movie recommendation could have easily been made with a PM or, get this, a post in the thread announcing that a new thread had been opened.
And that wouldn’t have been a hijack!
Yes, no, and maybe.
That’s not an answer. If my two posts were a hijack, then the thread has been in a total unmoderated hijack for the last 12 hours and 50+ posts.
Yes it is, you asked me about five fucking posts, you expect only one answer?
Yes, I referenced it above as a reason as why I at a minimum am being more careful in this thread. Because we ended up with a lot of ATMB complaints (as is common) about why we didn’t moderate more heavily earlier or why we didn’t just punish the hijackers:
@Smapti - as several posters shared, it’s really easy for a hijack to continue after it gets introduced and traction, which it seems to be where your side note was headed. And as is a trope on the board, the plural of anecdote isn’t data - a single example of one Muslim and Jewish pair getting along is a lovely image, but there’s a big difference between that and the quotes you provided to @crowmanyclouds, words such as “millions”, “a lot of”, “countries”, “tremendous amount of fuel”.
Sure, pretty sweeping statements, but I’m positive I could find cites to support that general magnitude. A single pair? No, I’m not going to draw useful conclusions from such.
Again, for the third or fourth time, I want you to take it to the heart, I believe your intentions weren’t to start a hijack, but both yours and Eric1’s comments were about a specific, almost completely unrelated incident. That would have been better handed in a PM conversation between you, or even a counter thread: “People CAN get along!” or something similar in another thread.
Like it or not, if the mods do not come down on hijacks early and harshly then the rule will not become ingrained in the the posters.
I’ve started to, at least try to, ignore very challengeable claims in threads in GD and P&E because I know that that exchange will be ruled as “starting” a hijack.
So I’m being given a warning for an accident?
You were given a warning for a really off topic post. And this was in a thread with modnotes already handed out to stay on topic.
Your logic is faulty, you think you were on topic , you really weren’t. Tourism was very off topic for a war zone.
Now, I have spent far too much time on this, good night.
This was a thread in which YOU said “discussions can range around the topic”.
“Tourism” was not the purpose of my comment. The purpose of my comment was to demonstrate that the Iranian people are not the Iranian government. If that is off-topic then so are half a dozen other posters who have not been noted or warned.
You’re going down the same mental route we’ve gone over several times on a similar subject - Trolling. We’ve had long discussions that intent should be more important than results. So if you’re honestly trying to discuss a subject you feel is appropriate, that despite being a sidetrack or hijack in the minds of others (including the mods) that it’s “different”.
I’m happy to take you and a number of other posters who say they don’t “intend” to derail a thread, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t doing it. To use insurance terms, there’s a different between “careless” and “reckless” driving from the POV of the cops, but very often the results are the same.
You were, IMHO, in this case, careless, not reckless, nor intentional. Still think it was noticeable, and very likely to lead into other one-off or unhelpful individual anecdotes about an episode taking place in a very different time and place from where we find ourselves in the current conflict.
ETA - see your own comments on “the *purpose of my comment”. But you didn’t POST any of that. Going forward it wouldn’t hurt to try to explicitly tie your post to the direct topic of the thread, especially in P&E/GD. In addition, plenty of people in that very thread expressed the same sympathy for the people if not the governments of the nations involved - I did so myself, but not in the form of an unrelated video anecdote in a very different situation.
It seemed self-evident to me. Eric1 mentioned a 60 Minutes story about the good nature of the Iranian people. I responded by mentioning a video that demonstrated that same point and providing it to show that point. I really struggle to find how that could be seen as me saying “Hey, look at this cool tourism video I found which is not relevant to this topic”.
If I’m not going to change anyone’s mind then I won’t bother continuing to plead my case on this matter, but at this point I’m afraid to post ANYTHING on those boards if I can get a mark on my permanent record for a comment that I find relevant to the topic, which is not intended to derail the conversation, which other people are already discussing and continue to discuss, and which by your own acknowledgement was unintentional and at best only had the potential to become a distraction.
And this is what you’ve been arguing for the entirety of this thread: “To you”, “I think”, “Should be Obvious”, “Self-Evident to me”. Despite myself and What_Exit explaining our POV, and several other posters sharing how they too catch themselves doing it. Instead, I see you point out your thought process and every single time I see it as “And this is how a hijack happens”.
And let me be clear - your comment was already becoming a hijack - it hadn’t reached full-blown, but it as I said in a recent thread, I might let one go as a one off, a second as to not be a killjoy, but once we get three and past - yeah, I tend to note it. Much less a thread that, I repeat, had 4 (!) mod notes involving staying on topic and avoiding side conversations in 24 hours. As for being an “accident” as I just said, that is my understanding, it doesn’t serve as an excuse. Careless vs. Reckless. Please remember the earlier point that if there are that many notes in a thread, that you should apply the direction carefully, even if you don’t get a direct quote or @.
IF you have something to share and are concerned that it’s not on topic in P&E/GD (for the umpteenth time, these are two forums that have clear and explicit rules as of 2020 about hijacks getting minimal tolerance) than please feel free to spin it off as I suggested in my prior Posts. NO one is stopping you from creating a counter thread, where it wouldn’t be a threadshit, or off-topic.