I’ve been reading this entire thread, including the “Shot From Guns idiocy,” and I don’t see people saying children should be banned from public until they reach an age that is acceptable to adults. I did see, from several people, repeatedly, that people should keep small their small children out of grown up restaurants until they learn how to behave. It is okay to bring children to age-appropriate restaurants when they are very small, and teach them how to behave in public, but once the kid starts being a loudmouthed pain in the ass, it doesn’t matter if they’re at the Olive Garden, the kid needs to be quieted down, or removed from the dining area if unwilling or unable to do so.
Well you understood at least some of the words I spoke.
My point is that not having been in that position makes you sheltered.
How many times have you had to murder a baby in order to save your own life?
The parents job is to sit and finish their meal, everybody else be damned.
And anyway, what the fuck is wrong with the sound of a baby crying? Why do you hate babies? They are our future and you want them to leave because they are expressing themselves? Thats just fucking evil, why are you evil?
Personally, I think that before people are allowed to go to restaurants, they should spend a few weeks listening to the sound of little babies crying, like from a mix tape or something, just to grow an appreciation for the sound, the sweet sweet sound.
Zealot, I bet you have tapes of babies crying, back me up here…
Heh, the first part of teaching a child about appropriate expression is to remove a crying baby from the situation. A baby’s crying is self-expression, but they are still in survival mode. Letting them cry isn’t honoring their self-expression. They are trying to express discomfort, and they want you to solve their problem for them. At a certain age it’s the parental responsibility to do what they can to solve the problem.
Are you counting convictions or just indictments?
Your point #2 is where we disagree - it would, in effect, eliminate ever bringing babies to a restaurant - or indeed any “public areas”-- at all. I guess family restaurants should just get rid of high chairs, huh?
The fact that you evidently see this as “reasonable” is, well, not surprising.
See “point #2” in the post, ironically enough, immediately above yours.
I don’t actually want to know the answer to that. 
I think I said I’d do that twice, didn’t I? I specifically mentioned taking her outside if she needed it. However, I state again, I wouldn’t do it to make you happy, I’d do it because she needs it. Call me an inconsiderate asshole if you want, but I don’t give two shits about how YOU feel, but how my kid feels.
Hell, why stop at forcing me to remove my child from a restaurant so you can feel comfortable? Why not ask me to pay for your whole meal, too? And after that maybe you’ll want me to carry you back to your house on my back? And then wash your car? Re-sod your lawn? Shit, maybe you even want me to blow you, too! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You sound like a peach of a parent. I’m sure your children will grow up into lovely citizens who don’t give two shits about anyone else in their world.
Me and mine come first before anyone else, end of story. I’m not going to apologize for that or let anyone make me feel bad about it. If the choice was between saving my kid from a burning building or saving a total stranger from the same burning building who do you think I’d pick? Who would you pick? If I was stranded with you and my kid on a deserted island and I was in charge, my kid would get his food first, I’d get mine, and you’d get whatever (if any) was left. And if I had to steal yours so he could survive I’d do it in a second.
I think we’re all in agreement here that people who let their kids run wild in restaurants are annoying assholes. I think I’ve already said at least a few times I wouldn’t let my kids do that. If my kid was running around like an idiot bothering other people I’d put a stop to it and apologize. If he was crying and wouldn’t stop despite my best efforts, anyone who felt inconvenienced enough to comment outloud would be cordially invited to kiss my ass.
I was lucky I never had to kill a baby (I don’t consider it murder when it’s done to save your own life) when I was in Yugoslavia. The parents were able to keep the children quiet when they had to be quiet. But we (meaning the various groups of people I was among during those years) talked about it and agreed we would do what had to be done, if and when it had to be done.
The coolest thing about the “Cult of the Child” is that there’s never a shortage of Kool-Aid.
And this Ladies and Gentlemen is the attitude that causes the childfree to despise the child-burdened. If you’re not going to show basic social courtesy to others, don’t expect them to be considerate of your child.
:::SHRUG::: Meh. Think what you want. My kid is more important to me than you are. Deal with it.
The funny thing about an attitude like that towards raising your children is that it is likely to produce unhappy, unable to be satisfied people. Concern for other people in the world with you is part of a healthy human psyche.
Spanking works when done properly. I realize that not everyone agrees with that, so let me rephrase it: take the kid out to the car for appropriate punishment.
Better?
My family being more important than anyone else and having concern/compassion for others are not mutually exclusive.
And thank you very much for making two stupid moves here. One, the assumption that everyone with children thinks like this, and therefore deserves your hatred. And two, the idiotic use of the phrase child-burdened. It’s offensive and incorrect.
And if no one ever has children, how in the world are you going to have that genetic connection you prize so much/