You’re using anecdotal apocrypha about ancient local elections to try to try to draw totally fallacious conclusions about real influence in modern election.
We don’t have issues with voter fraud in the US. This isn’t Iran. There is no problem here that needs to be resolved by making minorities show us their papers. It’s purely partisan voter suppression tactics and everybody knows it. I don’t believe for a second that you or anyone else in this thread really believes otherwise.
Cite please. And from this century would be great.
Er… no I wasn’t. I merely mentioned that the US had a long history of electoral and voter fraud as anyone familiar with American politics knows.
I pointed to the Daley and Curley machines as evidence.
Also, I didn’t realize that the election of JFK(which may or may not have involved voter fraud) was considered an ancient election or a local election.
Furthermore, I didn’t realize the 1990s was considered ancient history.
No, you made reference to urban legend without any cites. Don’t believe everything you hear on talk radio.
Huh?
You’ve never heard of James Michael Curley or Richard Daley?
Ok, go down to your local library and pick up a few books describing their tactics. I’d recommend Tip O’Neil’s autobiography Man of the House.
Anyway, I merely said the US had a long history of voter fraud as anyone remotely familiar with American history would agree.
If you’re ignorant of American history that’s not my fault, but since you’re demanding something recent, would the 1990s be recent enough for you?
So you’re claiming that Daley, Curley et all didn’t engage in rampant voter fraud?
Moreover, what’s with the reference to talk radio?
I’m reminded of the other thread where people demand I present proof that there was a long history of African-Americans being murdered after falsely being accused of rape.
I’m claiming that you haven’t produced any cites, nor does what you’re referring to rising to the level a real problem with US voter fraud.
You were also still wrong way back with your intial assertion that the alternative to government issued ID cards was “the honor system.” Where the hell did you get that from? Have you ever voted in the US?
I was asking for a cite, not a reading list. And I’d like to know the scope of the problem.
Also, the '90s isn’t from this century.
Maybe she was born out of state. Who knows? The point is some required document was giving her a lot of trouble.
Well you tell me. Polling place is about 3 miles away. Social security office is about, 30 miles away. They closed down the local Secretary of State. The nearest one is 20 miles away. My high school is 10 miles away. Court house also 10 miles away for birth certificate. Birth certificate was IIRC $14.
Also it took three trips into the Sec of state. One to be informed of the new requirements. Two to be informed that my GED transcript was not a school record (and bears don’t shit in the woods), and three to get everything in order. Plus $24 for the new ID.
Gas at the time was $4.40, and the only vehicle available at the time ate gas like crazy.
How would it have went if I was born out of state? (hint it could have taken months) If I didn’t have reliable transportation? If I didn’t have spare money?
If any of those potential torpedoing conditions had been true, why should I be denied suffrage for being a bad situation?
Also in light of fact IDs cost money, you’re advocating a fucking poll tax.
Er, I said the US had a long history of voter fraud and again anyone remotely familiar with American history wouldn’t deny this. You might as well demand a “cite” proving that Hitler killed six million Jews.
I’m sorry that you’re ignorant of US history. I’d recommend reading up on it. Any decent biography of Daley, Curley etc. should do.
I’m also amused that you’re completely unaware of the Miami voting scandal from the 1990s.
I’ll give you the cliff notes version. Xavier Suarez, the then-incumbent Mayor cheated and a judge decided to award the election to his opponent Joe Carollo. It’s what inspired the voter laws that caused such a snafu in the 2000 elections.
Well for the sake of education, in Australia you don’t need to produce ID to vote. Roll up to any polling booth in the land. Give your name, verify your address, get you name checked off the roll. Mark the ballot paper with a pencil. No stickers or ink spots, pre-registration or electronic gadgetry.
I believe this also applies in Kiwiland and the Old Dart, both of which are quite passable examples of functioning democracies replete with free and fair elections.
If there’s one thing about democracy that the US can learn from us, it’s the mechanics of how to conduct an election.
Yes, I’ve voted in Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island and never once been asked to prove I was who I said I was. I just gave my name, they checked to see someone with that name was registered and I voted.
In fact, I’m still registered to vote in Minnesota so anyone who wanted to could walk in, claim they were me and vote without any problem.
I never said that voter fraud regularly happens now, merely that it had a long history in the US. I’m sorry if you’re ignorant of American history and don’t know who James Curley or Richard Daley are the names Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall mean nothing to you.
People generally aren’t expected to produce cites for commonly known historical events. I.E. people generally don’t feel the need to produce citations about blacks being lynched after falsely being accused of rape and people who demand cites of this are generally seen as idiots.
Don’t worry, ignorance is bliss and you’re one of the most blissful people I know.
Most of them suck rocks when it comes to embodying the principles of democracy. Their elections are little more than mandatory declarations of loyalty to whichever tinhorn tyrant has the Army on his payroll.
Let them be more like us, we have little enough to learn from them.
And what people have been attempting to explain to you is that we don’t have a problem with that sort of fraud. If someone went in to impersonate you, the poll worker would likely notice that the signature didn’t match at all and there would be a problem. Like others have said, this has been a perfectly fine and reasonable way to “prove” identity for purposes of voting.
And it’s a multiple times a day occurance to expect cites on the Dope, regardless of how “well known” this information supposedly is. The fact that there’s conflict of opinion on it right here means a cite would be appropriate, not that we think you’ll produce one.
Don’t diss them rocks … we’ve got a whole economy based on digging 'em up.
And even if the tinhorn who’s in charge of our army is actually the tinhorn of another country and we have a dangerously disarmed populace ripe for the repression, the principals and practicalities of democracy work OK on this side of the puddle, mate. 
Morons and illiterates are allowed to vote. It was some law , uh, oh, right, the Constitution of The United States that allowed them to vote.
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I take it there is no answer for any of the questions I raised in post #43.
Well, gosh, shouidn’t be any problem at all, now should it? Been hearing about this dreadful avalanche of voter fraud for…what? eight, ten years or more? So, where are they all? Is the left so fiendishly clever that they can perpetrate massive fraud, and no one catches on? No one rats them out?
To have a conspiracy, you have to have conspirators, and secrecy. The problem with voter fraud conspiracy is that its stupid. No way to make it pay. Figure it out, if you got 200 people falsely registered ten times, you got 2,000 fake votes. Not huge. Then, on election day, you’ve got to transport those 200 people to different polling places to vote with different registrations. You got to keep track of who voted where, pretending to be whom. And then you have worry about each and every one of your 200 co-conspirators, won’t hand you up to get out from under a parking ticket.
So, how come Fixed News isn’t documenting stories every other day about the dreadful menace of voter fraud, like a stampede of unicorn? Of all these poor people being bribed to take part in a conspiracy, Fox can’t find any to rat out the conspiracy for a few bucks and a chance to bone Nancy Grace?
If the right were truly sincere about their fears of fraud, they would go the extra mile. They would fund outreach programs to register the unregistered, make a positive effort to reach out and enfranchise the disenfranchised.
Then they can go and nail thier pecker to a tree and set the tree on fire, because what they would be doing is re-creating ACORN and giving it the kosher seal of approval.
No they couldn’t. Your name gets checked against a registry of current addresses. If you don’t have a current residence in that precinct, your name isn’t in that book. They aren’t just checking to see if you’re registered.
Funny you mention Minnesota since it has been subjected to some of the most exacting scrutiny imaginable in consecutive elections and no voter fraud could be found. It doesn’t happen, It’s a phony, made up, non-existent problem being used as an excuse to discourage the wrong kind of voter.
Once again, amused by how many people are shitting their pants over how many people are supposedly being disenfranchised while nobody gives two shits about the widespread disenfranchisement of convicted felons.