I Pit Lack of Finacial Aid for my Kid's College Education!

You should learn to read. It will really brighten up the moronic look that must darken your countenance.

My initial comments on this matter were not to the OP, but to the dim bulb who strolled by to sympathize, suggesting that success was impossible except for the rich.

I was not rich, and I did it, and this seems to infuriate everyone with a script in thier mind about how oppressive our country is.

And what the fuck are you on about costs jumping 20%? That was comparing apples and oranges, costs from two different publications that you have no way of knowing measured the same things.

Community college was too hard for you, would be my guess.

And…wait for it…someone who jumps into said Pit thread to brag about how smart and self-reliant they are while dumping on those who are having difficulty gets mocked by me. It’s all a beautiful circle, isn’t it?

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You’re a useless freaking idiot. Go back to your useless board with its four remaining members and pretend to be someone important, you shitstain.
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But then how would I keep abreast of your high school test scores and part time college jobs? :confused:

No, it’s better if I keep posting in both places.

I’m sorry, but when I wrote of my experience working through college, what part of my description made you believe “easy” was what I was describing? Was it the waking up at 4:00 AM, or the stinking of used cooking grease?

My intent wasn’t to brag. My intent was to rebut the claim that only the rich can succeed.

To do that, it was necessary to explain how I succeeded.

Well, that is a good point. I suppose you could just follow me on Twitter.

Indeed?

So it’s luck that Joe does well on his SATs, because of his genetics and heritage and upbringing.

But his brother Steve, who has the same parents and presumably the same upbringing, doesn’t do well.

How should we analyze this? What weight should we give to Steve’s amazing beer bong ability, honed by studious party attendance, vs Joe’s nerd reputation because he stays home and studies? At what point do we ascribe any human agency to the choices each brother made?

Tell me how the rules work, in your view.

You know what?

This is a topic that makes me lose my mind.

My reaction is way over the top. I apologize. I can’t discuss this subject rationally. I ate a lot of shit in my high school and college days and feel… well, like any attempt to diminish that large amount of shit I ate is a personal attack. I’m sorry.

Did it ever occur to you that ‘middle class’ and ‘white’ already gave him a leg-up? Or that people got scholarships based on something other than their GPA and SAT? Maybe 55 per cent of minorities (black & Hispanic) graduate high school, compared with nearly 80 per cent of white kids. Bitch, plz. Scholarships open to everyone don’t grant based on color or ethnicity. If they got ‘more cash’, it was because they applied to a specific one or because they had something else going for them.

Typical.

How wonderful for your school district, RS. :rolleyes:

Ugh, I don’t do PTA; never have. I work for a fucking living. If you really think I’m saying the middle class is being oppressed, you need to learn to read. You must not have been in the top 25% of your school. :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s his cumulative GPA. It was higher, but he dropped the ball just a little in one class last year. He knows he could have done better, but got cocky. Hard lesson, but he learned.

Sigh, I’m not saying my son is some kind of superstar. He’s done well enough. No, he doesn’t carry a 4.0 GPA, he didn’t score a perfect 2400, and wasn’t all rah-rah in school. By the same token, he’s not just a slouch either. He worked very hard for the most part and kicks himself every time he doesn’t do as well as he thinks he should.

By the by, he’d be mortified if he read this. He is extremely conservative in his fiscal and political views. He knows he’s going to be paying for school for a long while, expects to work hard, and doesn’t have an issue with it. He’s a little shocked at what interest does to a loan, but he willingly signed it.

I don’t know when expressing just a little empathy became verboten in here. I know it ain’t all kitty cats and unicorns here, but Christ on a cracker…

It was probably the undertone of “I did it, and your lazy kid can do it too.”
You’re not the only one who worked through college, but the cost of tuition and the cost of living is substantially higher and the minimum wage has not exactly kept pace. So maybe, just maybe, it would be actually more difficult for a person to do what you did 30 years ago, and what I did 4 years ago, if they were not able to receive financial aid to help defray the costs.

No, it just annoys everyone that you’re insisting that it’s as possible for the non-rich to afford college now as it was in 1980.

Guess you never read post 168. Va Tech costs have jumped 20% since you posted your 2 year old tuition and fees statement.

Doctorate in computer science. Why should you start being right at this late point in the thread?

FYI, I’m pretty sure ReticulatingSplines (excellent username, btw) was referring to the practice where some schools use a five point scale for AP and honors classes (A=5.0, B=4.0, C=3.0, etc.) If your son has a 3.75 on a 4.0 scale, then what he said doesn’t apply.

Bitch, plz. Did you read my follow up post? About how they didn’t have extras going for them. My son applied for plenty of stuff; just didn’t get it. Maybe next year. It’s just the way the ball rolled this year.

This school district isn’t a disadvantaged one, by the way. Many of these people are much better off financially than us. I’m glad for them. Maybe we’ll be there someday too.

I went to community college the old-fashioned way. :stuck_out_tongue: Then I transferred and I paid $6,500 give or take a semester. I graduated with $11,500 in debt and then I was a dumbass and went to grad school for teaching and incurred another $40k. :confused: Luckily I’ll have a couple of grants/loan forgiveness option to knock some of it off, but I made my own mistake. :confused:

How do you know?

My parents were divorced and my dad is loaded. $13m in assets right now kind of loaded, which is half of what he had when I graduated. I’m sure people thought I was daddy’s princes but that wasn’t the case. I lived with my mom in a house that most of the time had heat and a box of mac & cheese, but usually we made it with water, no butter.

And even if the kids ‘had nothing else going for them’, you have no idea how many minority students really do not have shit going for them. If that means some otherwise ‘undeserving’ kids get a leg-up, oh well.

How so? Did you get shit on as a nerd kid or a poor kid? Or both? Both does make things interesting.

Does anyone have any data on the rising cost of college versus the increase in grants and loans in the past?

I read somewhere a few years ago that, generally, when government-funded student aid gets increased, the colleges just slide their tuition and expenses up to keep pace, knowing that it will get paid by the aid increases.

It certainly makes sense to me, and I would not be at all surprised if it’s true.

I’ll give you some empathy. Its TOUGH. A middle class kid that is not exceptional (neither of my kids will be exceptional - my son is a A/B student, my daughter gifted, but not exceptionally so) might get a few thousand over four years in terms of “free” money - but the bulk of the money is going to be loans. A four year college degree including room and board from a four year school is going to be $75,000- $100,000 - pretty much minimum (you can go to North Dakota, out of state even, for a mere $80,000 for for years - a mere $60k in state - its one of the cheapest options, but it IS North Dakota). Out of state or private - its $200k. If you live in a state where community colleges aren’t good or a state where in state tuition is high or a state where you’d better be an exceptional kid even to get into a decent state school because there just isn’t sufficient places for all the kids who want to go - your options become even pricier or less attractive.

Middle class people who do this with unexceptional kids start putting money aside when their child is born - and they do it religiously. They make sacrifices to do it - they drive old cars, live in less house than they can “afford,” they don’t vacation. And they are likely to still need loans and grants.

Or they do the Tiger Mom thing (I work with one - her kid is at Stanford ;)) so that they get exceptional kids. But that wasn’t cheap for my coworker either - there were music lessons and tutoring expenses and summers at Science camp.

As a Hispanic kid and as a poor kid, actually.

I’m just going to stand over here with the folks who haven’t managed to save anything for their kid’s education. Hell, I want to go back to school myself and haven’t even figured out how to manage that, and I project it will only be 4 semesters at Ivy Tech, which is as cheap as you can get around here.
Like some of the other parents here, I just try to be realistic with my kids. My 12 year old is extremely smart and thinks he’d like to go into something complicated and scientific that his mother would never understand, perhaps astrophysics now that he can finally pronounce it. :wink: But he knows the path…community college, four-year, and then go-it-on-your-own further education if he wants.
We do have the 21st Century Scholars program here in Indiana, which should enable him to attend a 4 yr state college, provided the state doesn’t run out of money to fund it. Frankly I’m not counting on the government providing anything at this point. I expect that he’ll have to rely on loans and hopefully scholarships. And I don’t have a problem with that…it’s not an easy way to go, but it does put the responsibility of his education on his shoulders rather than mine, and I don’t think that’s a bad way to go.

I think kids who work for their education appreciate it more too. Sure they don’t get the party school experience but who wants to pay 20k a year so their kid can get drunk with all their friends anyway.

I used to feel guilty about the fact that my kids were working their way through school but although I’m sure they would take more money from me should I offer it, they’re getting a sense of ownership and satisfaction from working for themselves and their future.