Yep - which will make it harder. People whose parents have not had the resources or who have chosen not to save for college are going to need to really want it. And yes, some people ARE going to be way better off not going to a four year college who twenty years ago would have been better off getting a degree.
Apparently, your parents were more interested in having a bunch of children rather than attempting to ensure the future of only one or two. I’m curious as to why their choice should translate into the taxpayer forking over for you to go to college?
God, here we go again.
Bullshit.
I didn’t carry a full load, but because I tested out of more than a year, Igraduated on time. And my undergrad degree was in computer science, which made the diff eqs necessary.
Well, there’s a useful response. :rolleyes:
and yet another interesting thread is about to be lost to The Curlcoat Show. Guys, please just all put her on ignore and let the idiot rant away to herself about how the
e evil poor people shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
When I read the op I thought “Curlcoat is going to show up and drone on for 50 million posts about how its their fault for breeding without being rich” and lo and behold…like the bad penny she turns up. Now this thread is dead in the water because hyou guys just keep on arguing with her and not ignoring her like you should!
It is like arguing with a brick wall. Exercise in futility. Just put her on ignore people! ~And lets get this actually interesting thread back on track. Don’t want to lose this one to The Curlcoat Show like the kindergarten sharing thread.
A taxpayer subsidized education has a return in higher income tax receipts. A taxpayer subsidized disability payment has no such justification.
Which part? College costs, or minimum wage?
I graduated from a UC in 2009 without debt. I spent maybe $3000 on my UC degree, and I went to one of the best schools in the country (some would say the best) for my area of interest. I paid for my education entirely by myself and had about 7k in the bank when I left.
Here’s how I did it:
First, I moved to California and applied for in-state tuition. You already have this covered.
Secondly, I researched Community Colleges and found one with an awesome track record. It required moving to a new location with expensive rent, but I took up with roommates found on the internet and through friends.
Thirdly, I worked full time when I wasn’t in class, and part time when I was. I also applied for scholarships and received a bunch (most were from private groups).
Fourth and mostly importantly, I worked my ass off at the CC. I joined the Honor Society, maintained a 4.0 GPA, focused on single class I needed to transfer, and became excellent friends with my professors (I’m inviting a few to my wedding).
You can transfer from a good CC to nearly any school in the country if you are hard working enough. I was accepted to every single college I applied to and I only applied to the best. I picked the UC I chose because they gave me a full ride due to my CC grades (I flunked out of the first college I attended). With the help of additional scholarship money earned for good grades, I received enough money to get paid $700/month to go to college.
Edit: Also, do a lot of volunteer work. The best scholarship I received during my CC experience (I earned 3k in one year from one application) was for the volunteer work I had done. It’s incredibly easy to find good volunteer opportunities.
I take it then you are not aware that income tax is paid on Social Security disability? And you ignore the fact that I paid taxes for decades - I suppose that now I cannot work, I should go sit on an ice floe?
What does any of that have to do with people who have multiple kids knowing they won’t be able to pay for any of their education? Or are you simply too sensitive on the subject to answer?
You know what? Maybe if you weren’t such an asshole, there wouldn’t be a problem. It never ceases to amaze me how much some people here love to jump to negative - and wrong - conclusions, based only on how much they disagree with a poster on one subject. Pathetic.
Sure, why not? I don’t give a shit. Not my problem. You should have considered how you would support yourself if you became disabled.
Not necessarily. My wife was on SSDI, and we were not required to pay taxes on her benefits.
Well, there are two problems with that as it applies to the subject. One - I didn’t choose to be disabled, whereas people choose to have children. Two - I did consider the future should I finally be unable to work and knew I’d been forced to pay into a fund for that very thing, i.e. Social Security.
Really, all I asked is why it is that it is OK with you all that people have kids knowing that someone else will be paying for their education. If all you have is emotion, then there is no point in answering.
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Not necessarily. My wife was on SSDI, and we were not required to pay taxes on her benefits.
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Are you sure it was SSDI? I’ve never heard of anyone being on it for less than life, and the only way you could get out of paying income tax on it now would be to make so little that it doesn’t apply.
My wonderful state school has tripled its tuition in the decade since I started. Perhaps you missed that 2010’s election resulted in a lot of tea-drinking assholes cutting every benefit and subsidy they could find that wasn’t going into the coffers of one of their campaign donors?
While I’d agree with this statement wholeheartedly…
I quibble to outright disagree with this one. If a free society is to remain free, that society must make an effort to equalize opportunity to every child entering that society, lest the freedom enjoyed by the rich to better their children’s lives turn into a de-facto aristocracy.
In our particular time and place, that means college assistance, and enough of it to get a solid 4-year degree without crippling debt.
You only get that because taxpayers accept a social contract that allows it, and that same social contract allows the government to pay for and subsidize education. What’s the difference?
Because it is. I have no children. I have no problem with paying taxes that provide for the K-12 education of other people’s children. I strongly support the education of other people’s children, and I’m willing, as a price of living in society, to help pay for it.
I have no problem with paying taxes that subsidize college education. In every state I’ve lived in, some of my taxes have gone to helping to pay for college education at state colleges and universities.
I have no problem with paying taxes that support grants, that support subsidized loans, that support scholarships.
I’m done with you; you’re a nitwit.
Ultimately, curlcoat, unless you can think of a way to prevent people from having kids that isn’t ridiculously invasive, any method you’d have to punish said parents is ultimately by “denying things to the child”. Like it or not, the child didn’t do anything wrong, and doesn’t deserve a substandard life simply because the people that gave birth to said child are chuckleheads.
Bricker, he’s not far off. Tuition inflation has averaged between 6 and 7% annually since 1985, or a little over double the general inflation rate.
Heartwarming though your tale of bootstrap yanking and food service stench may be, it might not actually be possible today.
Probably used too many big words.
The only way anyone can be on SSDI “for life” is if they die before age 62. Social Security disability benefits cease once you become eligible for Social Security retirement benefits.
Plus, people do go back to work once they’re no longer disabled - about 30,000 a year no longer receive SSDI at all, and another 60,000 work while receiving benefits. The likelihood of anyone re-entering the workforce roughly halves for every three months out of work, though, and since SSDI requires an anticipated disability of at least 12 months, the odds aren’t good. Those 30,000 people are a drop in the ocean of 8.5 million total who are on SSDI.
It is, and I did it with a child as well. It wasn’t easy, and it’s still not, but it can be done. I couldn’t always do what I wanted to do, but I did what I had to do.
With the current budget issues I do understand that it may be yet more difficult, but it’s not impossible. There are hundreds of thousands of students doing that very thing right now. As with all things, it comes down to how much you want it.
Have i misunderstood your situation? Did you somehow not qualify for the GI Bill?