Sorry but no. The bulk of Cuban immigration to the US is post-Castro. Mainly since 1980, you can google that if you like.
That it is *possible *for a group, or for certain members within a group, to immigrate to the U.S. and, once they’re here, to retain traits, traditions, etc. of their homeland so strongly as to be clearly and obviously distinguishable as being a member of that culture, even their descendants for several generations.
Go to Chinatown in New York City. Look around. What do you see? (Hint: Chinese) Although there are recent immigrants, there are also families who have lived and reproduced there for several generations. And the descendants are still clearly and obviously Chinese (of Chinese descent).
Go to Astoria, Queens. Same thing with the Greeks.
Park Slope. Orthodox Jews.
Brighton Beach and Russians (a more recent occurence, but I suspect will yield similar results).
My point is that when immigrants come to the US, in a couple of generations they often are still distinguishable from Joe Six-Pack Middle American. They don’t just dissapear into the woodwork. They don’t automatically turn into whites of northern european descent with 2.3 kids and a mini-van – or even a semblance thereof.
And please… I know at least some of you have the mental capacity to understand that talking about racial issues isn’t necessarily racist. Pointing out that the people who live in Chinatown are most likely Chinese isn’t racist, it’s a fact. And a racial fact at that.
Been fun y’all. Going off grid for the next couple of days. Bye.
**Cisco **- you’re a blathering idiot.
So what’s your POINT? Are you saying you’re afraid that Mexicans are going to come here and retain their heritage? I got news for you: when it comes to the American southwest, this used to BE Mexico, and when we took it from them, we made all Mexicans living here US citizens. This was quite literally their land before it was ours. It would actually make more sense for Spanish to be the dominant language here.
And by the way, Mexicans are beneficial to us, but here is a picture of some REALLY scary illegal immigrants.
ISTM from looking at some numbers that the rate of immigration was higher from 1959-1974 than it has been since - see the table here. (Note too the article’s comment that “From 1960 to 1979, hundreds of thousands of Cubans left Cuba and began a new life in the United States, often forming the backbone of the anti-Castro movement. Most Cuban Americans that arrived in the United States came from Cuba’s educated upper and middle classes.”)
Beyond this, my comment was about “the core of the community”, not about absolute numbers. The Castro refugees established fairly successful communities in Florida and elsewhere, and when later waves of immigration arrived, they could enter a Cuban expatriate community that was rather well-off as immigrant communities go. (The article comments that “Some of the “Marielitos” became prosperous through their own efforts, with government assistance and assistance from earlier immigrants, relatives and charitable organizations.”)
Don’t think I’m not intrigued, but since the next scene would be Mrs. Bricker standing over my body and asking, “How do I reload this thing?” I must regretfully pass.
But it’s nice to be appreciated. 
OK, so far we have Cisco and Cheesteak who can’t tell the difference between racial and racist.
Any others want to stand up and declare their idiocy?
There’s a neat little table with the actual numbers in the wikipedia article:
Year of
Immigration Number
1959-64 144,732
1965-74 247,726
1975-79 29,508
1980 94,095
1981-89 77,835
1990-93 60,244
1994-2000 174,437
Total 828,577
So, from 1959-79: 421,966
From 1980-2000: 401,611
In other words from 1959-79: 21,098 per year avg
from 1980-2000: 19,362 per year avg.
Those look like nearly identical rates. So much for your contention that the assimilation of Cubans was due to “Cubans have a big edge in that they have been here a relatively long time, and the core of the community was upper/middle class refugees from Castro”
Depends where you draw the line. The rates were abnormally low from 1975-1979, and very high in 1980. I conveniently drew the line at 1974 and you conveniently drew it at 1979.
In any event, even if the rates are the same for all years, they contrast with the other Latin American groups that are being compared, who are more heavily weighted to more recent years. So it is correct that the Cubans have been here “a relatively long time”.
In addition, you ignored my second paragraph.
“Racial” is describing the fact that there are many folks of Chinese descent in Chinatown. “Racist” is suggesting that this fact means Chinese “immigrants” (who’s family might have been here since the mid 1800’s) have not fully assimilated into our culture.
Good, good, but…
I never (never never never) “suggest[ed] that this fact means Chinese “immigrants” (who’s family might have been here since the mid 1800’s) have not fully assimilated into our culture.” That was a leap you and **Cisco **made. And, of course, you both were wrong. You actually can’t read my mind.
Now… you’ve made a good start. Keep going. You’ll get the hang of it. Just remember…
Signing off (for real this time).
If you don’t think there have been racist comments in this thread, then I cannot change your mind; it’s probably just hardwired into you to think that way over the course of your lifetime. A messageboard discussion vs. that is like shooting a BB gun at an Imperial Star Destroyer. Good day.
Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623(a)) states: “an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.” Doesn’t that pretty much rule it out, barring a change in federal law?
Someone please tell me: What, EXACTLY, do you have against educating a class of people who contribute billions upon billions more to our system than they take out, and fill niches Americans don’t want to fill? Why are you so intent on holding them under our thumb? Feeling inadequent, or threatened somehow?
How many fallacies, ad hominenems, etc. can you put into one post? Why don’t you just toss in a penis comment and a KKK comparison while you are at it?
My statement is simple - providing a taxpayer subsidized college education to people can not legally use that education in the workforce is a waste of taxpayer money.
They’d probably be apt.
Do you care why Americans get educated? My wife went to a state university and majored in Political Science. She’s a chef. By your standard, that’s a waste of taxpayer money.
Bullshit. I did not say that you racist homophobe who kicks puppies.
I don’t care WHY Americans get educated, when it is their money. However, if I am going to subsidize the education of others I would like to know how I might benefit from it. Giving a college education to someone who can not legally use it is a waste of taxpayer money. If they want to pay the out-of-state rates instead that is fine. There is no reason for the state, however, to give up cash to educate that person. That person will NOT be a more educated member of the electorate - they can not vote. That person will not be able to start their own company legally, to work their way up the corporate ladder legally, or to join the ranks of teachers to help others.
The state subsidizes education to have a better workforce and more educated electorate. Neither of these is served by giving away education to those who can not use. Guess what - in state rates are not available to foreign students or students from other states either.
Oh yeah - stop beating your wife asshole.
Considering that roughly half enter the country without inspection, possibly while also funding smugglers, isn’t that enough of a reason to provide disincentives for breaking the law? The less illegal entry you have, the easier it is to keep criminals, contraband or diseases out of the country.
Oh no, **Cisco **wants everyone to have 25 illegals in their living room like he has! He wants completely open borders and freed PhDs for anyone who walks up to the door!
At least, that is what I infer from his post using my Ciscometer.