Oh lordy, an indoor cat zealot. :smack:
On a completely unrelated note, I take 5mg of rat poison (warfarin) daily.
By the way, the name “warfarin” has nothing to do with “warfare”, although it certainly seems as though it should. The drug was actually named for the Wisconsin Animal Research Facility.
I wholeheartedly concur. We kill them any way we need to - snap traps and poison for those who are too smart to get caught in the snap traps. DIE RODENTS DIE!!!
I don’t have strong feelings about it, though.
I generally shoot them, myself, but the BB gun is rather under powered. I really don’t care that they usually aren’t killed immediately, and instead, crawl off to die of their mortal wounds. No sympathy here, for you or the mouse.
ETA: That’s usually chipmunks, but no sympathy for mice or rats, either.
and if she had know it was found because of cattle disease she would have freaked a bit more.
Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
though some might claim the alumni are animals.
Used some stuff I got from a neighbor who’s in the business.
Wait a minute, I think everyone is overlooking a crucial point here. There are Home Depots in the Netherlands? I didn’t know that.
Yes, actually.
We had a mouse infestation last year after a period of torrential rains (weeks) and the rodents came into our house to escape flooded subterranean nests. They weren’t here for the food: we had them in living areas, in the bathroom and bedrooms as well. I only ever saw one single mouse in the kitchen.
But the smell of mouse is something I cannot bide, and they weren’t being tempted by the traps, so we resorted to poison.
It worked…shame for the mice, but if it’s a battle between them and me, then sucks to be a mouse.
You’re a douchebag. Mice are mammals that can feel pain - bacteria don’t even have a nervous system. Comparing the two is completely stupid. And what’s ‘valid’ doesn’t make it right. For example, I knew once of a person who would catch rats in a metal cage and pour boiling water over them to kill them. Slowly scalded to death - is that a ‘valid’ method too?
I don’t think it’s the mice we should be worried about, but rather, sociopaths like yourself who can’t seem to understand that doing particular acts cause needless suffering. To be perfectly frank, I’d be worried if someone had zero empathy for a live mammal squealing in pain as they are slowly killing it. I don’t kill animals in extremely cruel ways because: a) they have the capacity to feel pain and suffer and b) imagine if it was done to me. I imagine that if I were to die, I’d rather quick and painless than slow and agonising. That people would advocate slowly torturing any animal to death speak volumes of them.
I’m not a stranger to killing things, either. I don’t disagree with killing mice. But some of the ‘methods’ people come up with are just disgusting, and a line really needs to be drawn. And it’s a fine line between effectively killing a pest vs intentional torture.
Maybe some of you should get a conscience, because from what I’m reading, my faith in humanity has dropped just a little bit. Cruelty and torture isn’t acceptable, whether it be to a rat, a dog or to a human being.
See, this is what I mean. There are better ways to eliminate the problem, yet a glue trap is still used.
Glue traps in particular are incredibly inhumane. The animal just gets stuck and suffers, pulls parts of itself off and tries to gnaw off a limb. If not dispatched, it will probably starve to death. I think they should not be legal, because they are unnecessarily and excessively cruel. By the looks of things you leave them on the traps for prolonged periods, rather than put them out of their misery. Correct me if I am wrong though, I don’t want to judge.
Since when is it “pest control” to leave a creature on a glue trap to starve? There’s the intentional cruelty right there. It doesn’t alleviate the problem at all, you’ve caught the animal already. Besides, it might escape the trap. I really think that if people use glue traps, they should dispatch the animal ASAP. People shouldn’t be using glue traps if they are unable to humanely euthanise the animal on it.
The complete lack of decency is pretty sickening. Don’t torture the things, they can’t help being mice. :rolleyes:
You’d spend less time writing down American corporations that haven’t made it over there than you would writing down those that have.
Globalization is a hungry beast.
We’re sociopaths now…we’re damned, all us mice-murderers. After all, rodents are human too, or something.
I like how you’re trying to misinterpret me, and failing miserably. I can’t recall calling mice humans. I’ll hazard a guess and say you’re putting words into my mouth because you have nothing decent to add to the discussion. If someone wants to torture a mouse to death for the hell of it, with no remorse, then they’re sociopaths. If you don’t fall into this category, then you have nothing to worry about.
So I’ll say it again, just to be clear - I don’t disagree with animal culling, but some of the methods used (ie. starving an animal to death on a glue trap) is separate from the act of pest control, it entirely comes from the mindset. Such methods are extremely callous and unnecessary. A mouse might not be a human being, but it can sure feel pain. Seems like decency is a hard thing to come by these days.
And who the fuck, pray tell, is advocating mouse-torture in this thread?
I rest my case.
What case?
You wanted people advocating mouse-torture, I provided the necessary quotes.
So, do you have anything relevant to add other than strawman arguments? You know very full well the point I’m making, I hope it’s not lost on you because you might hate mice or think they’re “icky”.
You made the claim that glue-traps, starvation and poisoning are torture. YOU are the one who needs to back that up with evidence (apart from emotional appeal).
BTW, I quite like mice. I enjoy seeing them in my garden, squiggling around the lemon-balm and ferns. They’re nice little critters.
I don’t want them in my house though, fucking in my towels making mouse-babies, and stinking up the place with their mousey-shit. At that point, our otherwise amicable relationship deteriorates, and they’ve gotta go…regardless of method.
Exactly! I have no problem with quick-kill traps or really fast acting/painless poison. Or with people who do their own mercy killing.
Especially if other methods of rodent control have been tried first, like removing food sources and barring entrance. Or getting a dog or cat, that not only catches rodents, but also chases them away by its scent.
But such slow-acting poison or glue traps…it is just taht such people seem to care so much more for their own “convenience to the sensibilities” then for the cost of the agonizing suffering to the animal. They don’t seem to realize, care, or even seem to relish, that the mouse has days-long death throes that make the scenes from “Saw” look like an episode of My Little Pony.