Well, they weren’t until we got our hands on them. If I were they, I would be now.
Don’t forget their families too.
Well, elucidator, say you are enraged by the actions of the US and decide to exact your revenge in some unimaginably horrible way. Once that’s done, if anyone points out that you were a pretty easy going guy until you were tortured by US soldiers, the response will be “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU’RE BLAMING AMERICA FOR THIS HOW COME YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH IT’S DISCUSTING (sic).” Terrorism is wasted on this country. If you really want to get a message across, put it in monosyllabic words, wrap it up in an American flag, and put it to a dance beat.
Well the thrust of my post was towards the infighting that goes on between you Americans during the midst of a war, al la Vietnam. And the in-fighting is revovling around piddly assed shit like draping a flag on someone or whether a picture was taken in a compromising position. All this while other people are still in the process of either a) having their heads cut off, or b) having some blow their heads off, depending on which side you’re on. Damn, get some perspective here. Some of you sound like it isn’t the people you are fighting who are the enemy, but yourselves.
And by my comment, “taking war lightly”, I was making two points:
In wars past the enemy didn’t surrender in a couple of weeks and then give up peaceably. What did it take to defeat Germany and Japan so that you could go in and start start educating and improving the standard of living? I suggest that the reason is that the population was utterly sick of war and didn’t have the will to fight back. Something not evident in Iraq at this time seemingly.
But then I also come from the Ghengis Khan and Conan school of warmaking. Look, if you are going to start up a war you should do what it takes to finish it. Saddam kept control of his country only one way. Did you think you could do it any other way than he did especially after he had been in control for so long? I think you are as delusional as the person who is the subject of this thread if you do.
“We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.”
Many amonst ourselves are the enemy.
Uzi, since you live in Yemen and all - bringing the Good English Language to the Illiterate natives - and hence you must be very good informed about the region, can you tell me what the enemy for the USA is in your eyes, in Iraq?
I mean: Do you consider Iraq as a US possession where US citizens are fighting US citizens to undermine the US government, the US internal security, the US laws, the US culture whatever US-like you can think of. Or do you consider the Iraqis to be *in their own country(/i] where the US and other invaders are the enemy. Theirs, their nation’s, their internal security, their laws, their culture, whatever Iraq-like you can think of.
Just to see what exactly you are talking about from your point of view.
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We ask: “Are you the enemy?” and if they say “Yes” we shoot them.
They’re already laying the groundwork for the Big Lie, getting ready, making preparations.
“Well, we would have won, you know, if it weren’t for those disloyal liberals, making us fight with one hand tied behind our backs, offering aid and comfort to the enemy with thier treasonous dissent…”
So familiar. Deja voodoo, all over again. Those who will not learn from history are condemned to make the rest of us repeat it.
Hey, Carcosa…
Did you know that **Reeder[/b is a Vietnam vet? Do you want to rethink any your asinine insinuations of cowardice and weakness?
How many wars have you fought in, punk? What the fuck do you know about consequences? Why don’t you grow up and quit living in your mom’s basement and get a fucking job, you misogynistic, repressed, pimply loser.
Springsteen tried that once. It still didn’t work. They thought it was “patriotic.”
Night of the long knives, when will that be do you think? I’m betting sometime in May, 2008–just before term limits get rolled back. 
“Born in the USA”, right? You don’t get it. It all makes sense once you realize that Reagan was the Universal Master of Post-modernist Irony.
Wow, that´s frigging brilliant!!
Saddam had to be removed from power because he was an evil despot that kept control of Iraq via an iron fist, so the right thing to do is start a war to take him down, kill a bunch of people in the process and then set up the same despotical and murderous system of goverment as before.
This is War President Technique #47. We look at what the enemy is doing, paint it in the worst possible light (or in some cases, just make stuff up), and ascibe it to an entire population. We can then say “Those aren’t humans, those are animals!” Then we feel all warm and fuzzy when we bomb them.
Sadly, this is a war technique as old as war itself. In 1991 we made up a story about how Iraqis went into a hospital and threw babies to the floor. In 1969 the Viet Cong were putting our brave freckle-faced boys into torture boxes. In 1917, any given German was more beast than man. In 414BC those damned Athenians ate babies. New war, same old shit.
Clothahump, how many insurgents would you estimate were actually involved in the beheadings? Because from your post, you seem to imply that it was the entire population of Iraq.
The only reason we, as in westerners, are here at all is because the ‘natives’ can’t, or won’t, develop their own resources and have allowed us to do it for them. Get it? Their choice. And those ‘natives’ of which you speak are my friends, but that doesn’t blind me to what their culture has done to them and continues to do to them.
Maybe the better question you should be asking is if I agree that the US should be in Iraq at all with its army? No it shouldn’t be. But if you go to war then go to war and quit whining about some eggs cracked making omlets. Yeah, sounds harsh but that is what war is, harsh. Be damned sure that what you are doing is correct from the get go before you go thrashing about in the desert.
Who is the they you speak of? The Iraqi people never owned Iraq, Saddam did. He owned a place called Iraq with a bunch of slaves and minions to do his bidding or to take the abuse he dished out as he saw fit. The US took it away from him. So, who owns it now? The former slaves or the invading army? Only people in democratic nations where people have a say in government can people ever say it is theirs, imho.
Continue your thought with: Which will then allow us to stabilize the country, build up the infrastructure, start educating the populace, increasing the GDP by getting the economy on track, getting people jobs, showing them a different way of doing things…How’s that working now with all the chaos?
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… and quit whining about some eggs cracked making omlets…/QUOTE]
We see all the broken eggs. When do we see the omlette?
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I agree. What is the point of killing people unless you are willing to do the things necessary to create peace and order in a nation that has only known the brutal hand of a dictator? It would have been better to have left them alone in the first place.
Shit, we can’t even do that here.