I pit remorseless and stupid health care professionals.

This is my first pitting, I hope I don’t blow it.

I work in a hospital laboratory, processing blood, fluid, tissue and other patient samples from 11pm to 7am. We handle a lot of STAT and emergency specimens, as well as process samples from all kinds of patients.

I won’t get too much into the smaller, more petty examples of glaring stupidity and absolute incompetence of some of the people working here, because I’ve made my fair share of human error mistakes. However, some things are just plain unacceptable.

Examples:

Sending down a patient’s arterial blood gas specimen with the sharp still intact is unacceptable. Then, proceeding to get mad at the laboratory staff for insisting that the person responsible come and remove the sharp, and for explaining to said responsible person that the sample is unsuitable for analysis because it has been contaminated by air since the sharp was left intact, allowing air to infiltrate the sample, is also unacceptable. As is cursing out the laboratory staff because of this, and telling us we do not care about our patients.

Sending me a broken tube is stupid, and unacceptable. If the tube had broken in transit, this is not the sender’s fault. However, if the tube was broken before sending it, then the sender is a grade A fucking moron. And in this instance it was **clearly ** broken beforehand. How can I tell, you ask? Because the nurse that sent it had fixed clear scotch fucking tape all over the outside of the broken tube. The tube was completely cracked, halfway down the tube. Instead of pouring over the blood into a fresh, nonbroken tube, she performs some MacGuyver fucking magic on it with the scotch fucking tape. Later I was to learn that she had called about it and been informed that the blood was unnecessary, as it was extra anyway, and that she had been told not to send it. But she sent it anyway, in a broken tube. If that blood had leaked out enough, the entire tubing system in the hospital would have had to have been shut down and sterilized, ruining an entire day’s workload. This is beyond stupid, and beyond unacceptable.

But tonight, what made me extremely angry is this particular situation.

I received a laboratory sample from the Neonatal Transition Nursery. These are sick babies, newborns. They are extremely fragile. Often they have very low birth weight, and have restrictions on how much blood can be drawn from them.

The sample was completely unlabeled. It is our laboratory policy not to accept any unlabeled specimens except in situations of life and death, such as a patient coding, or in situations where there is no possible alternative to obtain a new sample, in the case of certain drug tests, or inobtainable specimens like newborns or other patients who have restrictions on the amount of blood able to be drawn.

I telephone the nurse on the floor and explain the situation. I could hear her telling the nurse that drew the sample, who sounded as if she were standing beside the one on the phone, what I had said.

She laughed.

She fucking laughed, like it was a huge joke. Like an ‘oops, my bad’ type of joke.

I was not amused, and I really got angry with the nonchalance that she extended to the issue. If it was your baby in the hospital, wouldn’t you want the nurse to actually care whether or not she properly labeled your baby’s sample? She simply shrugged it off.

I wish I had not been so angry that I forgot to ask her name, or I would have requested a meeting with the Administrative Nurse Coordinator to discuss the impropriety of the behavior displayed.

This behavior is all too frequent on the part of the nurses, and I find it completely unprofessional and unacceptable. All too often when we call to inform them of a problem with their sample, they’ll nonchalantly reply, ‘Oh, I can come fill out a form, right?’ as though they are somehow excused from doing their job properly because if they make a mistake they can simply sign an accountability form and make it okay.

Oftentimes we will receive mislabeled samples, and call the nurses to make them aware of the problem. Sometimes they will make our lives miserable and insist that we take the samples, even though they have been mislabeled or otherwise mishandled. How dare we make sure the patients are safe! How dare we verify the identity of a patient before performing testing that is vital to a patient’s health? I explain to them that I could lose my job if I take them at their word and accept something and it’s wrong. If I result a sample and those results go out, and it’s from the wrong patient, and that result is the basis for a dose of medication, and that medication is given in error, the patient can become ill or die. And then it is my liability because I accepted your word when hospital policy clearly dictates that I am not supposed to do so.

It’s not personal, as you seem to think it is. I am not giving you a hard time simply to piss you off. It’s my job.

And when you think it’s cute or funny that you forgot to do something as basic as put a label for identification on a newborn baby’s blood sample, I have a few choice words for you.

Maybe I expected something like, 'I’m sorry, I’m the person responsible for that sample and I forgot to label it. Is it possible to come and sign an accountability form?" Instead of, “Haha, oops. I can come sign a form, right?”

You’re busy, and you do a job that I could never do, I’ll give you that. I admire and respect you for it. Nurses are often underpaid and underappreciated, and their job is a hard one. We all make mistakes, especially working long hours under stress. But, with that job comes certain expectations, and laughing about something that serious makes me lose all respect I had for you.

Not to mention you cheapen and disgrace the reputation of every nurse before and after you that does good work, cares about his or her mistakes, and actually acts like they care about their patients. This pitting is mostly for their sake, and the sake of that little newborn baby who didn’t do a damn thing to you.

Well done rant, Leah M.! You didn’t go all Zell Miller and now I hate them too, and that’s the hallmark of a rant well done. And also I know to ‘self-police’ a bit when I have a sample of my anything sent to anywhere for processing after reading what may go on in the worst case scenario.
These are worst case scenarios, right? [nervous sweat]

Phew. I’ve done a lot of reading and not a lot of posting, and I was nervous about bombing out like a moron.

And yes, of course, this isn’t the everyday norm.

I have myself had surgery and been treated at this hospital, so it’s not always like that. I wouldn’t trust a few of them as far as I can throw them, and I’m a wimpy pitcher, but most of them are up to par. :smiley:

There seem to be spurts of idiocy at certain times. Once in a while it will seem like I have five or six problems of the same exact type in a single night, and then we’ll have a nice long stretch where everything goes perfectly.

On the other hand I know some very nice nurses who go through hell and high water to do the best they can for every patient, and it makes me angry when someone just laughs off a serious issue like that. I’ve made mistakes myself, and I always genuinely feel badly about them, because I know any mistake I make has the potential to be a serious patient care issue.

No, it was a great rant. My boyfriend’s actually at the hospital right now after being hit by a drunk driver the night before last. He’s fine, and we have been completely impressed by everyone’s work ethic, especially the techs and nurses.

I might be wrong, but I think the blood-tech-people (I’m not sure what your official title is) come and pick up their own blood here. At least, the people who kept coming up and drawing his blood were all wearing lab coats that said “LAB TECH” on them instead of nurse badges. I guess that would eliminate the middleman.

All the techs were super polite and gentle and prompt and, as far as I could tell, labelling the pants off of the vials in front of us, before they left. So, in short, great job.

Wow, just had a flashback to a physician screaming at me that I was torturing her and interfering with patient care by refusing to accept an incorrect blood bank specimen.

Yep, that’s exactly why I took this job.
My particular favorites are the specimens that arrive sans label of any kind via the pneumatic tube system. No idea where or whom they came from. Only thing you can do in that case is chuck it in the biohazard disposal and wait for the inevitable irate phone call when somebody’s labs don’t get done. About half the time they’ll be embarassed and recollect a proper specimen. The other half get mad that we threw it away (per lab protocol) and demand we dig it up and let them label it. Uh, no. They insist they know who they collected from. But, see, the point is that I don’t, so… do it again and label it this time. I really hate to have a patient stuck again but I’d hate it more if I report out results on the wrong person. I’m pretty sure the patient wouldn’t be too happy either.

I was discussing this rant with my hubby and he had soem interesting notions on this matter that I found noteworthy. For a short period of time, he was in charge of the healthcare services in a prison. In his first week, he was sent to a special training session where they talked about patient care, responsibility and accountability. He came back and tried to make an impact. He learned a couple of lessons in a short period of time:

  1. The incredible need for nurses has led to a terrible result.
    A) People are becoming nurses for the money, not the vocation. This draws a lot of people who really dont know what being a good nurse entails.
    B) The glut of nursing openings means that any attempts to enforce rules and hold nurses to higher standard will result in a mass exodus. This fear has stymied attempts at management and have led to #2.

  2. The OP alluded to this in her reference to a “form”. Many hospitals have moved to a QA (Quality Assurance) form of managing their healthcare providers. My husband, who came from an Operatiosn background, found this form of management baffling. When he would confront nurses about poor charting, improper diagnostic methods, medication errors or other mistakes, they would always say “I filled out a QA report”. When he tried to pursue discipline, he was told by highe rlevel healthcare managers, that is a QA issue. QA is designed to better the care, but not be punitive. In a business with people, who make mistakes, how can you improve care if the screw-ups continue to be employed. He could only discipline when someone broke QA regulations (i.e. fail to report). But, when he did discipline, go to A.

He had numerous situatiosn where he would fire a nurse one day, for gross negligence, report them to the ursing board, and the next week, travel to a different site and they would be working as a “contractor” there. The need for nurses outpaced the bureaucratic functions of the board.

  1. Hubby has the unique opportunity of also teaching student nurses (in elective courses, not nursing) at the local university. Although he comes home glowing about some of the prize students, men and women who are truly devoted to learning and their vocational choice, he rails on about the numerous dolts who still get in to the nursing program that he would be afraid to ask them to file in his office, let alone adminster life and death medications.

In this incredibel time of need for nurses, what has happened is a relaxing of the standards that are applied to nurses. My husband and I, along with many other dopers here, know that in a nurse driven healthcare system, historically and in modern times, nurses are the most important step to good healthcare. They are the men and women who devote themselves to a vocation that I would never want because it is more of a devotion than a job. They must care for, comfort and treat us when we are sick. They get terrible treatment, at times, from patients, doctors and the general public. Since they are working the unit, they are first to be blamed, last to be recognized.

Regrettably, as long as this need continues to stay at the top end of the vocational needs, our standards will become more and more lax.

Wow. I’m freaking amazed that there’s that much incompetence in hospitals. I’m sure these instances are not the norm, but I am just astounded that people would do something that stupid and then complain at the lab folks about it. Don’t they get some training in how to do things like this? Is there some system in the hospital to explain these procedures to employees?

Wow. I’m freaking amazed that there’s that much incompetence in hospitals. I’m sure these instances are not the norm, but I am just astounded that people would do something that stupid and then complain at the lab folks about it. Don’t they get some training in how to do things like this? Is there some system in the hospital to explain these procedures to employees?

Just this morning I took my elderly mother in for her monthly blood test. (She’s on warfarin.) Both my husband and I have to take half days off to handle getting her there, since she cannot be left alone for even a few minutes, and due to on-going contruction at the hospital the only parking lot is a good ten minutes walk from the entrance.

My mother has terrible veins plus she has Alzheimer’s, and thus doesn’t at all understand why she is being put through this. Today it took SIX stabs by three different phlebotomists to get the single tube of blood needed. If that sample had been improperly labeled and it had to be redone I’d… Well, I don’t know what I’d do in reality, but in my fantasies it would involve a great deal of THEIR blood being shed.

The idea that someone would simply shrug off mislabeling a tube so cavalierly… <GRRRRRRRRRR> It’s not always ‘Just another stick’ for the patient.

In fact, I’m so appalled that I have to repeat everything I say to express the depths of my horror.

In fact, I’m so appalled that I have to repeat everything I say to express the depths of my horror.

wow. i am horrified by that nurses attitude. i am a med student who occasionally moonlights as a phlebotomist, and the lab tech. who trained me ranted so much about labelling that if i ever did something wrong i would probably burst into tears on the spot.

A- on your rant. I didn’t grade you higher because I know you can do better, not that there’s anything particularly wrong with what you did.

Most people don’t realize that there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 100k deaths caused by medical errors in American hospitals every year, and maybe as much as twice that. I too work at a hospital and consider myself fortunate that I am not a care provider. But have hope, because there are better places with higher standards.

My hospital is one of them, and I know these kinds of errors don’t get brushed aside. There are processes to fix bad processes and while we have open nurse positions, we’re not desperate. For a relatively small city, Madison has a lot of medical resources, including 3 hospitals, 3 nuring schools and a medical school. It’s also a place where people like to stay when they finish school, so we have a ridiculously well educated population. Lots of masters degree holders driving cabs and such. So there are always young, freshly trained and hungry kids.

I know there are mercenary kids out there, and that causes some problems, but I don’t see greed over vocation as THE big problem. Sure there are a lot of mercenary kid nurses, but not so many per capita as mercenary kid doctors, and lots of both groups are extremely competent. And as their always interested in covering their own ass, a lot of them are sticklers for procedures, just like you yourself are.

We seem to have more problems with older nurses who are burned out, or just can’t keep up with with medical technology anymore. There’s a lot of middle aged people out here who are really terrified of computer technology, and now wireless networked computers are put right into the drug carts that get rolled around among patients. Now, our pharmacists load precriptions into something that looks like a tackle box. They scan in a patient’s barcode, and ONE drawer opens and they put in the meds along with dose instructions. The nurse scans the patient code at the bedside, and ONE drawer opens to give the nurse access to the meds, and only the correct meds, for that patient.

One of the other local hospitals had a nedical error death of a woman in labor just a few weeks ago, and our Medical Affairs staff reviewed the circumstances very closely to make sure the same kind of error wouldn’t happen here. And one of them told me that our nurses had three additionnal safeguards built into our SOPs to prevent the error that the other hospital made.

While I do like kind hearted well meaning medical people, I think that cold competent technocrats with a lot of failsafe rechnology backing them up is a pretty decent alternative.

Excellent rant. My husband manages the patient information systems for a large bed hospital, and he really has trouble getting it through to some of his operators how important it is for things like the stat lab and the pharmacy to be up and working properly. If all the label printers in the ER are out? That’s a serious problem. If the stat lab can’t log into the system to report results? That’s a really serious problem.

Thank you for doing your job right in spite of the idiots who scoff at your efforts! It’s people like you I want handling my testing.

Foldup Rabbit:
Before I was working in the receiving specimen department, I used to obtain blood specimens as part of my job. I’m still qualified to do this, and I do on occasion, but short staffing required me to be put elsewhere.

When I was a phlebotomist (someone who draws blood specimens, although my actual ‘job title’ was ‘Laboratory Assistant’), we were always taught the importance of identification and proper labeling of specimens, and we were instructed that we needed to check ID at least twice, have a nurse verify ID if the patient were unable to speak as well as check the bracelet, and label specimens before we left the bedside.

Nurses in the intensive care units generally, in our hospital, are required to draw their own lab specimens, but the mass number of blood bank errors led to them changing policy, so that now only phlebotomists can obtain those. They still draw their own regular laboratory work, and part of my current job is to make sure that what we get is properly drawn and labelled.

But yes, it does indeed eliminate the middleman, because only one person is responsible. I’ve seen it with my own eyes for a nurse to draw blood, place the unlabeled samples on a counter for a secretary to label and then place the paperwork in the bag and send to the lab. More often than not the errors are not actually labelling errors but rather incorrect patient paperwork. Patient A has samples, and Patient B’s papers get in the bag, because people sign their names to the paper without ever checking the name, or the thing has changed hands two or three times.

dwyr:
I was going to say ‘would you believe’, but I’m sure you would, considering the experience in your post. A few times, when I’ve called to explain to someone that their sample was unlabeled or mislabeled, they will ask a question. “Can you send it back so I can label it?” This question in particular really makes me want to bang my head repeatedly against a wall.

Lissa:
Your post is very ‘bingo’. We are incredibly short staffed, and our hospital is in dire financial straits. Corners get cut no matter what we do, and it gets harder for everyone to do their jobs. We are, unfortunately, on the wrong side of ‘desperate’. There’s a lot of complicated issues and reasons for it, but it stinks nonetheless when the patient ultimately suffers.

The ‘form’ I was referring to in our hospital is called an ‘accountability form’. It’s basically a form that we use to allow someone who obtained a specimen to take accountability for the integrity of that specimen, and they are swearing that they are the person who obtained it and that they know 100 percent that the patient was correct.

I really hate these forms, but they’ve cracked down on accepting them. At one point we eliminated them altogether, but nobody enforced it on other shifts and in other departments, and the nurses raised such hell when we refused to accept the form on my shift that they revised the policy, and we accept them for neonatal patients and specimens that are completely unobtainable a second time.

Excalibre:
The hospital has lots of training programs which are continually getting cut and shortcutted to meet the massive need and financial difficulty we’re experiencing.

I’ve worked here for three years, and they’ve been cutting things since I arrived, and it doesn’t seem to be on the slowing down end anytime soon.

Whenever someone makes a grievous error like the ones I mentioned in my post, I do fill out an ‘event form’, which does go to upper administration and alerts them of the massive-scale problems. We do also have problem logs that we have to fill out whenever there is a compromised specimen or an issue with a specimen.

While it does get meticulously documented, short staffing and no money have amounted to basically people overlooking all but the worst offenses, and while that shouldn’t be happening, I unfortunately feel rather powerless to do anything more about it. I’m only one step up from ‘entry level’ employee, and have been told in no uncertain terms that if I don’t like the way things are run, I can be replaced.

I just know while I’m on my shift, I won’t be accepting something half-assed, and I always report it to the proper person. At least with nurses, we have a nursing supervisor that we can speak to, and supposedly they do have to review those cases with the nurses to reprimand and/or issue appropriate corrective action.

Mama Tiger:
Oh lord, yes. Small things are sometimes the biggest issues. If our computer resulting system goes down, we have to telephone results for every single patient to the Emergency Department. If our computer systems go down, we have to run every sample with handwritten labels and information, and manually enter everything in the computers. If we run out of labels, we have to go to backup and hand-process everything. If we run out of paper for patient reports, we can’t send out results.

Thankfully we try to minimize instances of those things happening, but it’s absolute bedlam when it does.

I think wherever you work, you tend to think your department and your job are the most vital, since we all don’t get to see the work other people do every day. I know my coworkers and I have suggested cross-training for the nurses to observe our duties for a few hours or few days, and how much extra red tape and danger it creates when we get compromised samples, so that they know that it isn’t something as simple as signing your name on a form to make everything okay. So far the suggestion has gone ignored, but we bring it up periodically.

Boyo Jim:
A- is something I can live with. Leaves room for improvement!

I agree with this, definitely.

I often feel terrible for not accepting a compromised sample, because that patient needs to be drawn or stuck again, but I know I would feel worse if that sample was wrong and accepted, and that patient suffered worse because of it.

I treat each sample as I would want my own treated.

I also feel rotten when I have to sit there and argue with a nurse or other party for five minutes explaining why I refuse repeatedly to accept their unlabeled or otherwise no-good specimen. I get aggravated and sometimes angry, and it’s difficult to maintan a professional, polite tone. But I know if I don’t, it will be worse, and that the patient is ultimately more important than the person I’m talking to and wishing I could call a bonehead.

I feel the absolute worst when it’s a baby or young child. One of the worst feelings I have ever had is calling someone and telling them that their pediatric patient needs to be spinal tapped again because the physician that performed it didn’t label any of the specimen tubes, and then learning that that was the second or third time that patient had been tapped because the previous spinal fluid samples were unsuitable for analysis.

StarvingButStrong:
I’ve heard stories like that plenty of times. I feel terrible for patients with terrible veins, or who require tons of frequent bloodwork. When I was responsible for drawing blood, I always tried my best to make sure a patient suffered the least amount possible.

I did have coworkers that would use the biggest gauge needle possible, no matter what the patient requested, because we were under heat from our supervisors to do so. We were pressured not to use smaller pediatric needles because the tubing attached to them made them more costly to use. We were also instructed to never, ever offer those needles to our patients, but to only use them when we had no other choice.

While I wouldn’t use them frivolously, if I thought that the situation merited the use of one of these needles, I wouldn’t think twice about using one. Usually it was with patients deathly afraid of needles, skittish pregnant women, elderly people, and children. The chances of a blood sample being unsuitable because of hemolysis is greater with the smaller needles, but what good is a large needle if you can’t get blood with it anyway, and have to use four of them before you obtain a sample?

We also have regulations in place where a single person is absolutely not allowed to stick a patient more than three times, and we’re technically only supposed to do two unless we’re under duress or absolutely sure we can get it with the third try. Generally, we try twice, and if we cannot obtain it, we either call a senior phlebotomist or an IV nurse to attempt to get the spec. We try not to make patients suffer too much. I’ve had patients tell me they had to be stuck five, six, or ten times to get a blood sample, and my heart goes out to them.

the chicken of exeter:
I know that I’m so paranoid of making a mistake that I obsessively check my work when I’m done with it. When I obtained specimens, I was always terrified I’d make a mistake.

Whew. Apologies for the long post length.

Wow. Do you work in my lab?

Wow. How frustrating. It’s a shame too, because it only takes one screw-up in a chain of dedicated and caring people to ruin a health-care experience for a patient.

Also, hello to another Vermonter! :slight_smile:

Believe it. I keep track of doctor’s, nurse’s, and technician’s errors at a cancer research center, and there are literally hundreds of these types of events taking place every day. Usually it’s only something as minor as mislabeling blood or urine samples, which while bad can be rectified. But try explaining to some woman why they have to take another breast biopsy because they lost her sample, or why they amputated the wrong foot because the doctors switched the medical reports by accident. (Luckily I do not have to be the one to explain it to patients, I only record the information.) We had a series of lectures at my hospital and one of the speakers was a woman whose son was disabled and whose husband died because of medical incompetence. I cried while listening to her.

And it’s only going to keep getting worse as long as there are such massive layoffs all through the country. All the documentation in the world won’t fix the problem of not having enough lab technicians or having incompetent ones.

It is a shame. One kink in the chain can mess up the whole thing, sometimes.

And hello! Always good to see another one of us around, in any way, shape, or form!

I believe it, and I feel your pain. And you’re exactly right about the documentation just not being enough.

There’s never enough nurses and techs at our hospital, and we’re always suffering for money. At least six people in my department on various shifts have left in the last two months, and the night phlebotomy team is down to one person total. Scraping the bottom of the barrel ultimately hurts everyone, and it’s sad.

And the tighter things get, the less people start to care. When everything gets cut, and cut, people stop caring about their jobs as much, and work only as much as they absolutely have to, because they just don’t get compensated for it anymore. Then there’s more mistakes, and so on.

One of my best friends was finally pregnant after being told her husband was infertile. A few months into the pregnancy she went in to the Dr’s office with spotting and was told her HCG levels were falling and she was surely miscarrying. She spent a horrible weekend at home awaiting the inevitable before going in for another level check the next Monday, only to find out oops, you aren’t miscarrying, we mixed up your lab results with someone elses. Sorry about that!

Amazingly enough, I know someone else who had a similar thing happen, only this time they were certain she was miscarrying and told her she needed a D&C. She had a D&C done, experienced an infection and went to another Dr. for follow up. They did an ultrasound and * found she was still pregnant with a living fetus*. She was not miscarrying, and the D&C failed! She actually went on to have a healthy baby. The only thing they can think of is maybe she lost a twin, but holy crap someone dropped the ball twice on that one. In that case the second round of incompetence saved her from the first one though.