Did I say she was a liar? No, did I say she couldn’t express her opinion? No, I didn’t, I said she was biased against Americans and common sense in this theatre of war.
Its nice you take whatever Riverbend says as gospel, but as soon as I offer a blog with a differing opinion of course, its not true!
I was going to give a reasoned and considered response to the OP, but have decided instead to go with my instincts and say instead a) what elucidator said, and b) oh just shut up, you bigoted little twat.
Not bigoted in this thread? You’re right - you’re merely bitching about someone with whom you disagree. A bit pathetic, but not necessarily bigoted.
However, as one who has had the misfortune of reading countless other ignorant, twattish comments from you, I see this attack on someone who is actually there, whose opinion doesn’t gel with your preconceived opinions, as a further attempt to promote your prejudiced and propagandised views.
So what? I’m allowed to bitch and complain about it, much like you whine and complain when I bring in positive blogs about Iraq, I’m complaining about her because she sees everything wrong with our help and efforts, but there is little, and there is very little scorn for the Insurgents and terrorist scumbags, you know, who killed Ken Bigley, who killed Daniel Pearl, who massacred countless Iraqi Police and Army officials and officers.
But I defend her opinion, I disagree with it though, but it goes to show shes allowed to talk about anything she wants, and we helped bring that process about.
Wheres the scorn for the perpetrators of those acts?
I can’t believe this, am getting called a racist bastard because I support the American backed Interim Government.
You could have quietly started a Great Debate about the veracity of her arguments, but you chose to make a scene.
You’re a lying fuck.
No, you’re a racist bastard because you have demonstrated that you’re a racist bastard in other threads. You’re an immigrant (inasmuch as any second or third generation immigrants to the UK are, regardless of race) but you demand that some commonality of “whiteness” be preserved, despite your immigrant status.
Propagandised? You spout the party line without question. If you spouted it with some doubt, but decided on the balance of the evidence available that you come down on the side of the government’s view, I might give you a break. But you don’t. You parrot exactly what you’re told.
Near as I can tell, his administration has so far handpicked the current government with no say from the Iraqi people, and decided on their own who the contracts to rebuild the country were. His administration shut down a bunch of newspapers who had critical stories on the US occupation.
His acceptance of their democratic right so far has meant a vague promise to hold elections sometime, but not necessarily in the entire country.
You know why I pitted her? Because for weeks on end, all I heard in her blog was tirades of America this, America that.
Anyway, I’m not talking about immigration, or my countries ethnic makeup, thats for another thread. I’m talking about how Iraqis need to get on board and support the goverment the Americans helped create, because I fear, if this does not happen we will see the gradual destruction of the state of Iraq and do any of you want that? No.
Listen I pitted Riverbend because her anti-American rhetoric was getting on my nerves, I didn’t say it wasn’t her right to express her opinon, I just wanted to say she got on my nerves and how her refusal to believe that any effort by the US was for their good also pissed me off as well.
heres an example from my OP if you bothered to read.
Thats why I was pissed at her, and thats why I pitted her, ok?
I seem to think she doesn’t know what Genocide is, unless she was unconcious for most of Saddams rule.
Its an interim government, made up of exiles, I accept they were handpicked. I accept the fact contracts went out to those who weren’t Iraqis, I accept it was wrong, I have never stated the occupation was perfect, but neither have I declared it to be a disaster, nor will I. Those newspapers where part of Al Sadrs militia weren’t they? Still doesn’t mean they’re ‘crushing democracy’ certain Mosques incited people to riot or inflame religious hatred, wouldn’t you shut the place down?
OK, look at this from the Iraqi perspective. Your country has a long history of being taken control of by Western countries (mostly the United States and the UK, the two main occupiers right now). The way the usually do this is by installing a puppet government responsive to their desires. You, Ryan have already admitted that this is what the current situation is now - the US and the UK installed a hand-picked, puppet government.
Now, if you’re an Iraqi, you say, “OK, who’s on this interim government handpicked by the occupiers? Maybe they are Iraqis who have been in the country and are respected by the majority of the populace as people who will be wise and responsible leaders. Or perhaps Iraqi exiles who are respected internationally for the commitment to democracy and human rights.” That would show that the US and the UK may actually be serious in their desire to bring actual democracy, freedom and autonomy for Iraq.
Well, no. Now you notice that the man initially most likely to head the government, Chalabi, is an exile who is wanted internationally for corruption and fraud. He also turned out to be an Iranian spy. Oops. Now you notice that the current head of the government used to be one of Saddam Hussein’s top assassins who then became an opposition terrorist, and is strongly believed to be involved in the bombing of an Iraqi school bus filled with children a while back. A man who tried for a decade and a half, not to bring democracy and human rights to Iraq, but who tried to overthrow Hussein and take his place at the top of a brutal, corrupt regime.
So, Ryan, given this, would you sit quietly and just accept whatever regime the US and UK install? Would you be highly suspicious, if not downright disbelieving, of US proclamations of a new era of Iraqi democracy and human rights?
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Its an interim government, made up of exiles, I accept they were handpicked. I accept the fact contracts went out to those who weren’t Iraqis, I accept it was wrong, I have never stated the occupation was perfect, but neither have I declared it to be a disaster, nor will I.
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This isn’t, perhaps, brought about due to an inordinate amount of hubris, is it? You clearly admit mistakes, yet dismissively pass them off as “no big deal” even though you are in no way suffering because of those mistakes. You have zero personal experience as to what misery has befallen those who are suffering and dismiss those who speak of the misery, yet blithely point to others who posit what you want to hear. And in your hubris fueled incontinence, you pit someone who is suffering because of those mistakes and whine that she’s “too biased” for you.
Tell us, oh master of fair judgment and sound mind, where can the rest of us biased sheep find the ever-elusive middle ground you so valiantly tread?
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Its an interim government, made up of exiles, I accept they were handpicked. I accept the fact contracts went out to those who weren’t Iraqis, I accept it was wrong, I have never stated the occupation was perfect, but neither have I declared it to be a disaster, nor will I.
The last government of the Iraqis compared to the new temporary one they have is absolutely no comparision, so yes, because they are exiles and because they are familiar with Iraqis because they were either kicked out, fleeing persecution or death makes it not a big deal.
How do you know when they haven’t even stood for election yet? They could be replaced with a bunch iof theocrats, or the election could be widely viewed as illegitimate, rendering them impotent, or they could turn out to be just as evil and corrupt as Saddam. The first and third possibilities are undeniably far-fetched but they’re within the realms of possibility. How can you so confidently predict that they’ll be ‘better’ than Saddam when we have absolutely no way of knowing?
Ryan, you’re sitting in the safety of your home in Britain, pitting somebody living in Iraq in the middle of a fucking war for complaining about the country that brought the war to her. Are you seriously saying you don’t see what’s absurd about this?
“Quit bitching about the war, we did it for your own good. You’ll see. Probably.”
How can any democracy be authentic when another nation is still there and bombing!
I’m sure many people believe all out civil war will happen when American troops leave, guess what? That is when democracy will happen. There is no democracy or liberty in Iraq now, to believe otherwise is moronic. Didn’t America suffer through it’s own civil war only to come out better?
Iraq has lost an evil dictator and it has been replaced with a kindly nanny, only the kindly nanny smacks. The nanny has all the best intentions but she still isn’t letting the “children” decide for themselves. The nanny wants to make sure she can sleep easy in her bed, so she has to thump the children before she sleeps, just to make sure they behave.
The nanny fails to realise the children are teenagers. If you control teenagers too much they rebel. If you talk to them and allow them to make some decisions themselves…well then, things work out in the end.
Never let the nanny pick the new daddy. It pisses off the kids.
Forgive me for living in a bubble, but aren’t blogs personal accounts? Online diaries? Places where people record their personal feelings?
Pitting someone just because they don’t believe that seeing their friends being carpet bombed is a good thing, is about a low as it’s possible go on the on the great scale of human compassion.