I pit Rush Limbaugh for being an idiot about birth control

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Nope, we did it to Dio, too, for the exact same reason. And you’ve been here long enough to full well know that the Pit sanctions were handed down from on high and do not in any way reflect what the actual message board culture thinks.

You slutshamed someone. Slutshaming you wouldn’t work, but people vaguely remember you’ve mentioned having daughters before. So they targeted them instead. They could have targeted your wife, your mother, whoever. The point was to make you feel the sting of being slutshamed.

That anger you feel? That’s the anger you and Rush are dishing out. You want civility? Then you be civil. There is no civil conversation possible with someone who thinks slutshaming is acceptable.

Believe me, when I first heard about what Rush said, I wanted more to happen to him than just getting banned from a stupid message board.

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Also better for nautical use.

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and then you remind me he wrote that the woman intentionally set herself up for this, and Rush just fell witlessly into her trap. “As I stated in my original post, I believe she has put herself in the position to be judged and called such names deliberately and for political effect.”
Yeah, asshole, she brought it on herself. You really aren’t even a decent guy, are you?
Still waiting for you to cite the chapter and verse specifics, too.

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“Daddy, why is that lady all shiny?”

“She’s a nautical slut.”

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Not to misinterpret Jenaroph’s intent here, but what part of being a human being who has sex and uses birth control warrants being called a slut or a prostitute?

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For too many still, The part where you’re not male, apparently:rolleyes:
(not necessarily Jenaroph)

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Getting away from the Scylla and his brass daughters or whatever it was matter, something I’m trying to understand is the economic sense that not paying for contraceptives on insurance policies makes. It would seem to me that contraception IS a form of insurance.
A vaginal birth in a hospital with no complications can EASILY run more than $10,000. A C-section can EASILY cost twice that.

Even with a high co-pay, the simplest imaginable hospital birth would cost an insurance company and an employer more than providing her with contraception would cost for several years. Again, that’s with no complications, and also not including prenatal care.

Now, if the insuror (who of course is not paying this out of the kindness of their heart- they’re going to get their money back from the employer by raising premiums) had to pay for a woman’s contraception in its entirety, with no co-pay, brand name, and also by law had to pay for the Tic-Tacs and Dr. Scholls footpads and People magazine impulse buys the woman makes while checking out AND give the cashier a Hallmark card with a $100 bill inside (both paid for by the insurance company) every year on her birthday and again at Christmas, and the insurance company had to do this from the month the girl had her first period until a year after her last period, it could still conceivably (no pun intended) come out a lot cheaper than paying for a childbirth with complications, AND I’m not talking about “once in every three million births” and “so rare they wrote a book about it” complications but complications that happen often enough you probably know a woman on first name basis who had as bad or worse. $50,000 would cover everything in the grossly exaggerated scenario with thousands of dollars in change, yet wouldn’t cover a particularly complicated birth.

And the prenatal not accounted for earlier- let’s add that in. I don’t know exactly how much an insurance company would pay for them but I think somewhere in the four figures would be a conservative estimate for the course of a pregnancy and again that’s no complications. Once more, that’s more money than it would cost to pay for the contraception for years.

Suppose the child who, in spite of Obama’s best efforts, is born, and is healthy and hearty and sound and has an ideal childhood with hardly a sick day. Either the child will be added to his parents’ insurance policy or, depending on their income, will receive government funded healthcare: once again, if the child is healthy, he or she will cost more in a few years than the contraception would have cost.

Now suppose the child is healthy enough but, as happens (did with me, did with many families I know) gets sick at some point and requires hospitalization: nothing super serious or permanent in today’s age, but serious enough to require a few nights inpatient and some follow-up when released- there to, several thousand dollars. Or the child breaks his leg playing or crashes her bike and gets a concussion- happens every day, nothing permanent but costs insurance companies or the government more money than years of contraception would.

And then of course the Special Needs child: again, you could have paid for contraception from now until the Second Coming for less than the child will require in a year from either private or government healthcare plans.

None of which takes into account the fact that the mothers of these children DID NOT WANT TO CONCEIVE A CHILD AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN THEIR LIVES TO BEGIN WITH. To this add in the money that is spent by employers on maternity leave, the tax dollars that aren’t spent because the mother has to stop working for a period of time, the delays or derailment of her college or career, the inconvenience on her and her boyfriend or husband (it seems odd that people forget there are millions and millions and millions of married couples that practice birth control, unplanned pregnancies: they really isn’t just for brazen teen sluts anymore), and all of this so that…

And all of this so that the slim minority of people who don’t believe in birth control* will be happy. Which, incidentally, they still won’t be because they can’t impose their will on more people.

*Which is even a minority in the Catholic church- in addition to what the polls unanimously show on Catholic attitudes towards birth control today there’s the simple fact of 'why are families of 9 kids one hell of a lot rarer today than they were before birth control?" factor; presumably couples are no less fertile today than they were in the 1920s.

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And regarding the “slut and prostitute” who must be paid to have sex Ms. Fluke, I was remembering an irony: one of the few times I listened to Limbaugh he mentioned how Andrew Jackson was one of his heroes.

Andrew Jackson literally shot at least one man dead for saying less than that about his wife. And there was frankly more reason to call his wife an adulteress (which technically she was) than there was to say this of Ms. Fluke (which there is no evident reason to say this of her). (Of course if any of Ms. Fluke’s ‘menfolk’ DID call Rush out onto the field of honor he’d take a moment to piss in his pants then have the guy arrested, while if the girl herself demanded satisfaction he’d just call her a butch lesbian as well as an insatiable slut and get a restraining order.)

Rush is remorseless trash, pure and simple. What I do not understand now, never have, and never will is how anybody out there doesn’t see that he’s the biggest pile of shit since the mastodons went extinct. I suppose it’s just that nobody ever went broke stoking and stroking and validating the prejudices and hate and selfishness of the prosaic bourgeoisie.

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well, they called the bomb squad to Rush’s house yesterday, but it failed to be a bomb. He doesn’t even have the guts to open his own mail, uses taxpayer’s money for it.

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Wow, Scylla is definitely a Class A piece of shit.

That said, I’ll agree that attacking his daughters strikes me as a bit out of line. They can’t be held responsible for the disgusting piece of filth their father is, or at least pretends to be on the internet.

That said, I have to ask.

Scylla, why did you choose a girl’s name for your username?

And please don’t say “Scylla is a rock”.

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I know this is the pit, but wow… It is also a board with the byline of fighting ignorance.

Pages and pages of fuck you this, and your daughter is a slut that.

not one mention of Fluke’s conflation of the medical and non-medical uses of birth control pills

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Folks looking for an apology? That was it. Close as he ever gets. See, you or me, we fuck up, we cop to it, no biggie, so we don’t think this cost him anything.

He’d rather take a napalm enema.

And here’s the thing, about tough guys. Tough guys are hell on sons, gotta toughten 'em up, good for them, it builds character, why, look what it did for me, they say.

For daughters, they are just like big sloppy dogs that growl at everybody but them. All that armor doesn’t do any good, not up against a pair of big brown eyes, it becomes a chitinous exoskeleton surrounding warm goo.

So he has to come here to scratch his big hairy nuts and do chimp hoots. Does it at home, one wife, two daughters, they’ll think he’s cute.

He’d rather be dead than cute.

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I wonder, if a company that was owned by a group in favor of zero percent population growth refused to cover childbirth on their policy, or even a less severe example- they had an insurance policy that covered birth one time for each subscriber but that was a lifetime cap (second child, you’re on your own)- would the same people say “Yay! That’s their right!”

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Are you suggesting that Fluke is a brazen slut? I’m just checking to see if you’re on the retard team.

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That BCPs have multiple medical uses? Even without arguing the freedom from religion issue?

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Scylla was the monster that swallowed Greek seamen. You could look it up.

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I don’t know about this woman’s brazeness quotient, but she has a gift for clarity.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/02/oklahoma-state-senators-sign-if-i-wanted-the-government-in-my-womb-id-fck-a-senator/

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Fluke said

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be."

  1. Does the Blunt amendment really say “Insurers don’t have to pay for birth control pills even for medical uses” ?

  2. Even if it did, when Humane Vitae 15 says

  3. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever.

would Catholic insurers decline to pay for medically necessary birth control pills when the Pope explicitly said it was ok?

I understand Fluke’s argument to be this: My friend had a medical necessity for birth control pills that her insurer (mistakenly) would not pay for. The solution I propose for problems like this is… that my friend sort it out with her insurer? No, no, no,… that all women be given contraceptives for non-medical uses.

Non Sequitur

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Think for a second. If all insurers had to provide contraceptives, then you could get them for non-sexual uses *and *standard contraceptive uses. So it would fix the problem.

Derp? Derp.

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This is almost enough to make me want to go have lots of weird and kinky and dirty heterosexual sex, knowing I will be protected by my birth control pills which you all - as American taxpayers - pay for!