I know this not because I give a shit about what Scylla has to say, but because I wanted to research this fact to find the truth of the matter. So I put in more research to my search than Scylla did in just looking up what Fluke was actually testifying about.
The last time Scylla mentions his daughters’ ages was in a lthread from 4 years ago so it’s pretty fucking disingenuous of his to say that we couldn’t remember that one fact from his life he last mentioned back in 2008.
So no, I’m not going to pontificate on the sexual nature of his kids. But I will say one thing
Scylla, your eldest daughter is reaching puberty. There’s a fairly good chance she’s going to need birth control. Not because she’s a slut but because of some medical conditions that birth control helps regulate that you are completely, hopelessly ignorant about.
And when that day comes, I hope you don’t look down on your daughters like you’ve done with Fluke. Because your daughters don’t deserve to be punished for your sexual hang ups.
I’m not surprised that shit like this has come out of Limbaugh’s mouth and I know he isn’t man enough to apologise so the best I can hope for is a short suspension. I also don’t get why people still listen to him, because he’s just a sad fat pill-popping trash-talking asshole. He must obviously have some shit on Boehner and Cantor that keeps him top of the trash heap, because I also doubt that he has 20 million listeners
I’m also surprised I’m listening to crap about the so-called moral right of pharmacists to not dispense birth control. and I am so over these losers. To be a pharmacist you have to study maths, chemistry, anatomy and for several years, so you should know what you’re in for while in pharmacy school. Religion is not included. Leave your fairy tales at home.
To be a pharmacy technician you have to know your maths, pharmacology, customer service, and many other things. One works hard to pass the PTCB and religion is not any part of the training or on the exams you take.
And I am just another birth control using slut. I’d like to thank the GOP for demonstrating their vast contempt for the women of this country, and why I won’t vote for them nor give them dime one.
I’ve lost track of whether, according to Scylla, Fluke ‘asked for it’ (‘it’ being the slutshaming) because she thought a healthy sex life was a normal part of life, rather than an ‘extra’ that insurance shouldn’t cover anything related to it, or because she expressed views in a public forum that were not consonant with what the right wing believes.
The rest of the quoted post was stupid shit, but it was arguable stupid shit. Scylla in his prime if you will. Then we come to this.
Scylla. You’re losing your touch. This is too obvious. Should’ve saved this little “shock and awe” troll bomb until page three at the earliest. By pulling this out from under the bridge so early, you lost the ability to play the infuriating “but I have been discussing this reasonably” gambit when people overreact. Crudely calling a woman promiscuous with no cause paired with the ignorant male “pay for my beer” is magical, but you just pissed it away right of the bat.
Sad day to see such an effective troll lose his touch. Sad, sad day.
For my money, I disagree. I’d just as soon he spend more of his time taking loads from Greek guys at truck stops, which I think I remember reading somewhere was an avocation of his.
Perhaps nobody has mentioned it because it didn’t happen. You should check out the definition of the word “conflate” because you don’t seem to know what it means.
Fluke does not conflate medical and non-medical uses. She’s quite clear about the difference. She goes on to note that 3/4 of the women receiving covered contraceptives are interrogated by the insurance company to determine if they really do have a medical need.
Her story about her friend with the ovarian cyst is a story about a woman who was not able to get covered contraceptive health care despite having verification of the need from her doctor. She notes in addition that the friend is gay, so there’s little need for her to use it to prevent pregnancy due to all the sex she’s craving.
So, thanks very much for your contribution, but it was actually of less use than 10 pages of fuck you this and your daughter gobbles that.
Fuck slutshaming. Just fuck it. I’m happily married, not a kid anymore, and never had a ton of sex of the sort these assholes would condemn even when I was a kid, and this whole thing still makes me want to go screw the the next 20 hot men I can find who’ll take me, just because I can.
The non-contraceptive uses of birth control are important, but I really wish people would not bring it up so often in order to defend its very existence. It just feeds into the idea that attacking contraception itself is acceptable. Women should also be saying “yes, I like to have sex without worrying about pregnancy, and fuck you if you can’t take it”. Do not accept the shame.
My usual stance is that it is the height of stupidity to do things in real life just to spite someone on the internet. In this case, I’ll make an exception.
Furthermore, health insurance is compensation for labor, not a gift from a benevolent employer. Just like employers are subject to minimum wage laws, the health insurance compensation they provide is subject to state and federal minimums. It has been this way for decades, yet suddenly Republicans think they can make a wedge issue out of it by portraying it as an attack on religious freedom. Fortunately, it has blown up in their faces, and as Scylla observed, Democrats have skillfully turned it into a fine political cudgel to beat them about their heads through the coming election.
I think Scylla’s whining is directed more at thick-witted Republicans who walked straight into the tar pit, and persist in struggling mightily in the goo of their own making. His barbs at liberals seem like a weak afterthought, as if he just can’t criticize the foolishness of his own party without some token jabs at Democrats to keep his right wing bona fides intact.
Sex is a normal, healthy part of adult life, and not something it’s only OK to do when you’re open to the possibility of being a parent in nine months. As a society, we have an interest in minimizing the number of babies born to people who aren’t willing and/or able to devote the next couple of decades of their lives to being parents. And yes, health insurance should cover birth control, because insurance should not only pay for treatment of unwanted health events (including unwanted pregnancies), but should cover routine and relatively inexpensive preventive care that would keep those unwanted events from occurring.
And I say this as someone who has come only lately to being a parent, and who has experienced more joy as a father than he would have thought possible. For as any good parent can tell you, this parenting gig demands a hell of a lot of you, and people who don’t particularly want to be parents aren’t going to be very good at meeting those demands. Those people shouldn’t be parents, and certainly shouldn’t have to be parents because some wingnuts want to see them punished for being ‘sluts.’ Parenthood as punishment isn’t good for anyone.
And specifically as an adoptive parent, I’m glad to have been able to come to parenthood by this route, but it would still be a better world if there were no unwanted children in it, even if it meant that those of us who weren’t able to have children of our bodies would never have the joy of raising a child.
Speaking of which, the little rascal wants to play. Seeya later.
Nah, not my intent, but just wanted to point out (clumsily, for the edit window time limit) that none of the stories told had anything to do with women having sex. So if you were the type to try to shift your focus (since you were wrong about Fluke using herself as an example) to slut-shaming the examples Fluke put forward, you have nothing to go on either, because they were all strictly medical. Double fail.
Oh, fuck the goddamned blimp. It was a narcissist’s trifle to begin with, good for a smirk. I personally may have let out a “sss-sss-sss” titter, one of those like air escaping from a leaky valve stem. ROTFL? NFW.
It certainly shouldn’t still be earning him pass credits nearly a decade later, after years of contributing nothing but hyperpartisan excrement and a vigorous stir. I’m sure Radovan Karadžić made some jolly finger paintings as a tot, but nobody’s going to pass them around at his war crimes trial.
But leave **Scylla’s **kids out of it. It’s bad form—but more importantly bad strategy, because it gives him an opportunity to feign indignance, which he really enjoys.
FWIW, as I’m sure from my posts in this thread it’s not obvious, but I am completely with you on this. It’s just that in this case, Rush (and obviously some Dittoheads) was so far off the mark it was SO damned clear that he didn’t listen to the testimony and just assumed it was about sex, and ran with it. Boy, did he run with it.
In a way, we almost ought to thank Rush for defining so clearly what this whole debate is all about; it’s not about freedom of religion, or respecting differences in opinion over morality. It’s about ignorant boors punishing the sluts. “Sluts” meaning “Women of reproductive age who might be having sex with someone who is not me, and we can’t have that.” It’s just that he’s the only one who’s been willing to put it in such crass terms. We’ve got men who have no idea how birth control works and no idea how medical services work and would probably flinch if you went up to them and said “Vagina” to them, let alone have to say it themselves, making decisions about what birth control should be allowed and what medical services should be mandatory and trying to pretend that a transvaginal ultrasound is some kind of Immaculate Contraption that isn’t any kind of invasion at all, oh no, la la la I can’t hear you please don’t say “transvaginal” again.
Rush’s diatribes have put the Republicans in a tough spot; clearly he’s a disgusting piglike creature and the very widespread backlash shows that they can’t defend him, (plus, what member of the Righteous Right would dare openly support putting sex tapes online) but deep down, they don’t actually disagree with him. So you get weak statements like Boehner’s where he said Rush’s “use of the word slut was inappropriate” (in fact, he didn’t even say it himself, his PR guy did) and Santorum’s “He’s being absurd, but he’s an entertainer.” Romney spelled out his position pretty well: “It’s not the language I would have used.” Gee, what’s been left unspoken there?
And most pittable, in my estimation? What do Republican women have to say about this? Well, seems they mostly just don’t want to talk about it.
I mean, it’s pretty hard for them to write this attitude off as being that of unrepresentative extremists. Rush Limbaugh has defined the agenda of the Republican Party for twenty years. Rick Santorum has an even shot of being their Presidential candidate. This isn’t some guy losing in the Republican primary for a state senate seat in North Dakota, these are two of the people who by definition embody what the main body of the Republican Party as a whole believes.
Republicans think women should be punished for having sex. It is a fundamental belief of the party, to the level that it doesn’t make sense for someone to be a Republican if they don’t subscribe to it. There’s no real getting around it at this point.
Under the light of a new day, I think I should spell it out for Scylla:
No one here thinks your daughters are sluts. No one thinks they are bad people. They are just trying to show you how rancid you’re being.
I know that you don’t think you’re a bad person, Scylla. But you appear not to have the perspective to understand what you’re doing. The lady didn’t do anything wrong. She advocated that medicine, which is prescribed by doctors, and which is necessary in averting a huge medical expense (birth, among other things), be available via medical insurance.
You have sex. When you were younger, you probably had a lot of it. If someone told you that your wife, or your first love was a brazen slut for having sex with you, you’d have punched them in the nose.
Yet now, when you’re older and you have yours, you’ve become just the sort of evil twat who the younger you would have taken a swing at.
That’s repugnant. And you should probably know better, instead of perpetuating nonsense into the world so that it’ll roll down to your daughters and their children someday.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been more outrage that Rush also said she had a duty to of herself having sex online.
While it’s clear he was attempting to be funny (and I’m sure was to some dittoheads), can you even imagine the uproar the right would make with this if a Democrat had said something remotely similar? They’d be screaming sexual harrassment and perversion. Largely because, regardless of its intent, it’s sexual harrassment and perversion.
