Silenus, this isn’t really that germane to the issue at hand but St. Patrick’s Day IS a fairly big deal in Ireland too. It’s a national holiday and parades go on in every city and many towns.
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Who holds this position, that caused you to make this claim. I reviewed the thread and came up with no one.
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The Mexicano students ARE Americans, by the way.
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Small point: with the number of illegals in California, and the large percent of illegals in the area, isn’t it likely that a few of these kids might have been illegals? A larger point: isn’t it possible that some of the parents of these kids are illegal, and they hold a stronger allegiance to Mexico, and that attitude spills over onto their kids?
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I read somewhere that other kids wore American flags who were not sent home.
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I know John Mace already been asked, but could you show a cite for this. I haven’t heard or read it anywhere else.
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I’d bet anything that these kids, in particular, were just being little dickwads. I’ve worked in schools.
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Why is it not your first assumption that these kids wanted to show their patriotism? Obviously they already displayed some degree of patriotism by owning the shirts. And on a day when another country’s symbol was going to be so prevalent on their campus, they wanted to stand up for their country and make sure it, too, was represented. Why is that not a more likely scenario?
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I also haven’t seen any evidence that the American kids of Mexicano heritage were “offended,” by the American flag,
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Well, now that you have, via** John Mace’s** cite and quotes, does that change things for you?
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What do you mean by “targeted?” I’m saying if they were singled out, I’m confident it was for attitude, not dress per se.
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…and…
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I seriously doubt that’s all they were doing. In fact, I flat out call bullshit on it. It’s not believable.
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If your theory were to be correct, don’t you think there’d be some evidence of it. I mean, this story has quite a bit of coverage. Does the fact that it doesn’t give you pause? Or have I missed a cite about this that you were asked for?
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Sounds like that confirms my suspoicion that the white kids were being little bitches about it.
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Huh? Where’s the confirmation?
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The cite is that not all kids wearing flags were sent home.
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What cite?
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Also, it’s just common sense. What do YOU think the motivation was?
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Perhaps some Cinco de Mayo celebrants complained. Maybe one of the people in** John Mace’s** cite. Maybe this particular administrator is inclined to find it offensive, as well, and that is why he over reacted.
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I didn’t say no one was offended, I said I hadn’t see any evidence that they were.
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Well, now that you have, has that caused you to rethink things? Shouldn’t it?
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I’m not buying for a second that they were offended solely by the clothes. That’s just not plausible or realistic.
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Again, do you have a cite for the kids having a bad attitude. As far as that last bit, that is why so many of us are surprised by these events. And why the school administration has apologized.
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Of course he thought that, and I guarantee he thought that because they were being little bitches about it.
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Or that the kids who were offended (like the one’s in the Mace’s cite) were being little bitches about it. Right?
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Not realistic that this group did, no.
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The news report is bullshit, I assure you.
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Now this is the kind of stuff that should be a red flag that you’re talking about of your ass. You make claims that you can’t support with cites. You question the claims of others, which they can and do support with actual cites, yet you tighten the blinders. lower your ahead and speed up down the road you want to be reality. Ease up. Dio. You’re wrong about (at least) much of this. It’s not the first time. And I’m sure it won’t be the last. 
Oh, you’re back. Goodie. There’s still a question that was asked of you back in Post 179. To make it easier, here it is:
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Okay, so if being pulled out of class and sent home against their will isn’t “punishment,” what is it?
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Selective comprehension.
It is something that didn’t happen in this situation under discussion. They weren’t sent home against their will. They were given a some options and they chose to go home. In fact, if you had read the article, you’d know that they went home to avoid any punishment.
Which is a de-facto punishment (since “getting sent home” IS a punishment in every school district with which I’m familiar.).
They were compelled to do something they didn’t want, whether they chose “go home” or “get detention” or whatever.
I would still love to see ANY cite concerning the attitudes of the students who were punished, demonstrating that they had ANY record of bad behavior towards students of different race or culture or that they had ANY evidence of intention to troll or instigate as opposed to “show national pride”.
Since we already have a cite that the bulk of the district and school administration is not standing behind the one vice principal’s decision to take the actions he did, I’ll let that stand as informing my attitude that the kids were punished for nothing until I see actual evidence that HASN’T been pulled out of Dio’s or Snowboarder’s collective ass.
There’s your problem, right there. Just because they were able to avoid one specific punishment doesn’t mean they were free from punishment. They chose one flavor of punishment (going home) with another flavor. If there were no punishment they simply would have been allowed to go about their school day as they had planned: going to class, etc.
If you get a ticket, you either pay the fine or (eventually) go to jail. Just because you choose to pay the fine and avoid the more severe punishment does NOT mean you suffer zero punishment.
No need for the “de-facto”. If **Bo **had read the article he’d know that they went home to avoid being suspended. But suspension isn’t the only form of punishment there is. Being sent home is a lesser form of punishment, but it is still punishment. Punishment for refusing to change their clothing, which they were fully within their rights to wear.
Why don’t you look up the school district’s code of conduct and see if there’s a specific definition of punishments?
I bet “agreeing to go home” isn’t on there.
They were compelled? That’s your argument? Students are compelled every day to go to school but I don’t see you whining about that. Students are compelled to do homework every day too! Oh the tragedy!
The schools have been so hammered in the courts over their decisions that now one school admin decides to err on the side of caution to avoid violence, but because it involves the flag, it’s wrong. It wasn’t wrong when it involved hair color, or green shirts or aspirin or any of the other crap that’s made headlines, but now that it involves the flag, a bunch of idiots have their panties in a knot.
Ya know how I know it didn’t matter before? Because at no time was a cry raised then to change the policies and attitudes. But now that the flag is involved people can feel all self-righteous and patriotic about it, even tho they don’t really care about the underlying issues; they just like to be rah-rah 'Mericans. WOOT! AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
ETA: magellan01 if you’re going to alter my text in a quote, I believe it’s considered polite to acknowledge having done so.
Possibly. But they don’t. And I don’t see how the students have much choice in the matter. I’m guessing their parents have the final say.
Seems pretty clear., but…
Context. You really can’t figure this out?
I guess you can’t. It was a day to celebrate Mexican heritage in the United States, Canada & Japan are pretty irrelevant to begin with. Add in the recent retarded Arizona law and a general racism you see in this country, then you might be able to figure out what’s going on. There’s a reason the flag wearers thought this would be a big “fuck you” to brown people.
I won’t argue that those who are offended aren’t being oversensitive, but if you can’t see the difference in wearing, as a group, the patriotic garb on this day and wearing an American flag patch on your backpack, then you’re being pretty stupid.
Someone upthread said that no one is coming out of this looking good, and I have to agree. The kids that started this are the biggest douches, bit no one comes out of this a winner.
If your talking about the CdM celebrants, I’ll agree. I think it’s a bit harsh, but I’ll go with it.
You are correct. I actually did start with a “(bolding mine)”, but when I erased what I had written, to change it, I inadvertently erased that, as well. My apologies.
That results in:
Times Snoboarder Bo was right in this thread: 1
Times Snoboarder Bo was wrong: 729
The Straight Dope Message Board: Trying to be Right More Times than that Guy We Hate Since Sometime in the 90s
Since I didn’t compare him to me, your post would have made more sense if it said “Pointing Out When People Are Wrong More Than They’re Right Since Sometimes in The '90s.”
As far as that goes, Congratulations, your participation in this thread has earned you a Silver Medal.
Yeah, Bo gets the Gold, but he trains awful hard.
It was a general comment, which is why I didn’t quote anyone. Not sure why you assumed it was directed at you.
Actually, I take that back. It wasn’t directed solely at you. Carry on as you see fit.
Backpedaling away from your own back pedaling. Hmm, you may get some type of Gold after all.
as long as there’s chocolate in the middle
Cool. I was misinformed then. The expats I know over on this side of the pond said it was no big deal back home. Consider me educated on this, if nothing else. 
Sláinte!