I pit the current AR-15 market

Congratulations! That is without a doubt the single most dickish thing I have EVER heard somebody say to a police officer. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that is a wierd attitude. I guess people like knowing that something they own is theoretically worth a lot of money (even though it’s actual dollar value is zero, because it’s not for sale).

I am not pitting AR-15s. Any hypothetical AR-15 you might own has no connection to the one that was just used to kill a bunch of kids, save one. The market. The market for AR-15s that you just bemoaned and that I am now pitting. You can pretend prices just doubled due to emotionless market forces, but I cannot. Prices just doubled because an AR-15 was recently used to kill a bunch of kids, and the market is reacting to that event. Rejoicing or bemoaning this fact is in poor taste. I hope you realize that and just can’t help being a gun-rights robot.

Not quite. The market is reacting to the possibility of a ban. If no one was talking about banning “assault weapons,” there wouldn’t have been a run on AR-15s. People are buying one now (even if they’re not entirely sure they want one) because they are afraid they won’t be able to buy one later. (And of course some folks are buying in the expectation of future profit if a new Assault Weapons Ban passes. Such is human nature.)

No, the price doubled because people are now actively plotting to ban them, and people are trying to get them before they go away. Let’s assume the ban passes. Starting right now, people have a flexible, uncertain but finite amount of time to get one for themselves. It only tangentially has to do with the fact that a bunch of kids got killed.

I had always planned to get one, now may be my last chance. Other people have their reasons. But the reality is that they are, in fact, emotionless market forces.

What are you suggesting? That prospective gun owners see the Newtown shooting as a product demonstration par excellence for the AR-15, and they’re gleefully snapping them up because, gosh, look at how terrific they are for killing kids? :dubious:

It’s a pretty fucking small tangent, as far as I’m concerned. Nobody was talking seriously about a ban 15 days ago.

I guess if you’re OK with only being a tangential asshole, go ahead and brag about how much your AR is worth on Facebook.

No, that’s not what I’m suggesting.

I’m sure every other gun owner is certain he or she will never have any sort of incident happen with their guns. I’m sure each and every one is certain that they are just constitutionally different than all the others who do end up with guns that kill someone. Just like the guy in that gun safety demonstration who shoots himself in the foot or the eddie the eagle nra certified gun safety kid who killed his friend by screwing around or the guy who shot his kid by accident while buckling him in.

Every gun owner is 100% safe up until they aren’t.

And yes, you do bear responsibility for that.

Then what are you pitting? Of course prices are going to go up – AR-15s have always been popular rifles, but the political reaction to the recent shooting has created the possibility of an impending period of infinite scarcity. That is just market forces at work.

Hm. So, does she like Indian food? Not that any fruit of your loins would be even mariginally worth the price of a papadom, you worthless, slimy piece of shit.

Your guys are either clueless or worshipers of Jim Zumbo.

I took a 600 lb cow elk in October rifle season with an AR chambered in .308. I hunt coyotes every weekend around here with a .223 chambered AR. I have dropped about two dozen wild boars and havalinas with the same gun.

They are an ergonomic rifle that is lightweight, manageable recoil, quick follow up shots, and easy to field strip and clean. They can take any number of optics and can be modified about a million ways to Sunday. Given the multiple calibers it can be chambered for, it is hard to find a better hunting rifle.

I have no doubt Nancy Lanza probably expressed similar ideas at some point in her lifetime, what with being a gun enthusiast.

I guess I should just throw my hands up into the air and turn myself in for the crimes my son almost certainly won’t commit right now, then.

I bet my dad never once suspected that my brother would borrow a gun for suicide. Maybe my brother would have done it anyways. I don’t think my dad blamed himself more than usual in such a case, but he clearly thought it was one of the worst things he’d ever been through.

I know a couple of guys that use it. It’s a “good” hunting weapon sans scope in the sense that it makes it more challenging to use than a scoped rifle of another sort. Much like in my state of Indiana, you can only use bows and arrows or shotguns firing a slug to hunt deer. It’s more “sporting” because it’s more difficult to cull a deer with it.

:confused: Was there a point to this besides the last 6 words?

I can’t, in good conscience, claim that gun rights advocates are responsible for the deaths of children. In doing so, I’d take on the responsibility for every overdose in the world.

How the hell am I supposed to know he’s a police officer? I was reacting to the fact that he feels free to espouse strong (and incorrect) opinions on the subject because he has failed to educate himself. It’s not a new revelation that an AR15 was used. It’s been known for quite some time. I jumped to the conclusion that his ignorance was either deliberate or CT-driven because he was a gun nut.

My own sister is an LEO and I know lots of them. Many of them are gun nuts. They don’t get a pass just cause they’re cops.

Or maybe I should have asked your profession first before replying to. Wouldn’t want to hurt your feelings if you’re a nurse or something.

You really don’t know that for certain. I’m quite sure you’ll never use it for an illegal purpose, but that rifle will likely outlast your mortal existence. Then what? What if your house is burglarized, or your car when it’s in the trunk?