No, reason would be something along the lines of “Here’s the reason that voter fraud is an actual problem rather than a figment of my imagination.”
What you’re saying is that voter fraud is not a problem, but people appear to think it is, so therefore we should implement a costly government intervention that will prevent some legitimate voters for voting.
That’s not based in any sort of reason that bears any resemblance to reality. Douchenozzle.
While ignoring the 3 studies that show that voter confidence doesn’t improve at all with mandatory ID.
Republicans hate absentee ballots in a lot of state. The people who most often vote absentee (eg elderly) vote Democrat. Until Republicans caught on that was a really good idea and mounted campaigns in Florida and the like. But prohibiting felons and people with the last name -ez and restricting Sunday voting? Yeah, good tactic. Lookin’ at you, Ohio.
One thing I find loathsome about right-wingers is their juvenile attitude that politics is like a sports event. The umpire calls a play wrong? “Haha! Bah. You lost. … there’s zero, zip, nada, and also zilch you can do about it … Natter natter natter.”
On a different issue, where Bricker the Hypocrite might feel he were on the side of rationality or fairness, he’d take an opposite holier-than-thou pose.
The reason “liberals” care about this issue is that, in fact, the result of GOP’s vote-suppression drives will be to reduce the portion of voters voting Democratic. That’s a fact.
It might be nice for right-wingers to simply comment on whether they believe that fact to be true or not. I’ll have respect for those who admit it to be true. The others? Well, we already knew you were mostly liars, imbeciles and hypocrites.
It’s certainly never stopped any of the lefties around here. Or anywhere else, for that matter.
Cite? And not from Der Tris, we already know he’s off the deep end.
No. I have distinguished those studies, by pointing out that none of them address the particular type of voter confidence I am referring to.
Do you remember my doing that?
Perhaps the saddest part of this discussion is the fact that so many people are themselves so incapable of putting country before party that they don’t recognize that the concept can even exist, as for example we see right here. *That *is far more corrosive to democracy than any petty manipulation of voter rolls could ever be.
I’m saying that voter confidence in the outcome of elections is a problem. I don’t agree that any of the schemes proposed are particularly costly.
You obviously disagree. I don’t doubt you come by your opinion honestly, but you doubt I come by mine honestly – even though mine is shared by a majority of the voters. So are the majority of voters, the ones that support this, ALSO “douchenozzles?” And is that just your view, or a more general view held by your companions on the left?
Heh heh. OK, I admit it: The reason “liberals” care about this issue is that, in fact, the result of GOP’s vote-suppression drives will be to reduce the portion of voters voting Democratic.
You said it. I was forced to agree my the power of your persuasion.
I haven’t been able to correspond with the majority of voters, so I don’t know. I suspect that very few of them know that there is actually next to zero voter fraud going on. Those who have this explained to them, who acknowledge that voting with a false ID would still occur, and who dismiss concerns about keeping legitimate voters from voting? Yes, I’d say that they are also douchenozzles and are deserving of no respect.
My only problem with IDs is that they aren’t free and constitute as a de facto poll tax. In my opinion, if the State wants to put onerous restrictions on a constitutionally protected right, then those restrictions ought to be free-of-cost. I don’t remember paying for my Social Security Card (even for the replacement), has anyone else? It’s absurd that voter id cards (or whatever they want to use) aren’t free as well.
I agree with the OP, though. I think everyone wants to stop voter fraud but railing against IDs seems as a jab to disenfranchise minorities.
I agree.
It is absurd. It’s also untrue. Every single state that requires voter ID card offers them for free.
You haven’t been able to correspond with the majority of the voters about anything, Hentor. Is your contention that their general will is unknowable?
Should Obama be the president? Do the majority of voters want him? I didn’t correspond with them, so I don’t know.
In my opinion, we can rely on poll numbers and election results as a fair proxy for things the majority of voters want.
I think everyone wants to stop the Molepeople from tunneling in and pilfering our bank reserves too, which is happening at about the same rate as voter fraud.
Yes… except that we still seem to want to place our bank reserves in steel vaults, protected with guards and alarms. And when someone wants to get into those vaults, we require a photo ID.
Because bank theft is a demonstrated problem. Didn’t you know that? Are you saying that you’re worried about Molepeople?
In the end, you’re reduced to ad populum. Sad. Desperate. Douchenozzle.
You know, logically to me, IF there is voter fraud going on, and IF it actually results in more votes for Democrats…
…then doesn’t it naturally follow that a voter-ID program will automatically result in fewer Democrat votes?
Which, if those items are true, isn’t a BAD THING, people, electorally speaking. Now, it might be a bad thing for your side (if you’re on the “suppressed” side), but it is healthy for a republic…
Did you forget to flip your sarcasm flag on?