Making it harder for minorities to vote isn’t the moral equivalent of helping minorities to vote.
Wait, so he was accusing Obama/Democrats of having stolen the 2008 Presidential election in his state? I thought Republicans scoffed at the very idea of complaining about stolen elections. They certainly did before '08.
So, again, is my statement correct, or incorrect?
No, it’s pretty clear that you don’t. See, if you did, then you would understand that the statement I made was factual and accurate, and not a lie. You’re unhappy with it, yes, but only because it upsets your desperate attempts to wave away any wrongdoing by ACORN – a mania that to this minute compels you to refuse to admit to any.
ACORN violated election law. That’s what I said, and I said it because it’s true, and you just don’t want it to be true, so you wail and caterwaul about how I lied. But of course I didn’t, because ACORN violated election law.
You mean in full view of his co-conspirators? Yes.
Of course, he never put it in writing or e-mails, just on the dry-erase board in his office. Because he knew it was illegal and wanted to avoid documenting it.
Yes. You mean Nevada state law, which you tried – foolishly – to minimize by calling it “local law” instead of “13 state felonies.”
That’s exactly what he was doing.
And I have no idea why you’d think Republicans scoffed at the idea of stolen elections. Republicans claimed the Washington State election was stolen. Republicans claimed the 1960 Presidential election was stolen.
It is technically correct, but creates a misleading impression.
Make sense?
It was a lie. Because you were trying to create the impression that ACORN was responsible for voter fraud.
The fact that you have to pathologically defend such drivel is kind of shocking.
I don’t have any wants or needs as regards to ACORN. But I do have a problem with the campaign of misinformation and lies you and people like you are working on.
People are afraid of voter fraud because of the lies you help spread. They think it’s common and they think ACORN was behind some of it. And it’s not true.
If that’s factual, fine, it isn’t my understanding. If you’ve got some citation for that I’ll admit it easily, because my beliefs aren’t based on ideology, they’re based on reality.
You’re the one with the situational ethics there. You’re okay with voter suppression, as long as it gets your guy elected.
No, Bricker, I mean local because it was a Nevada office, not one of their other national branches.
It wasn’t an ACORN directive. It was one dude with a stupid idea. A local decision.
I’m sure you understand this, but Brickers gonna Brick.
That’s at least a defensible claim.
I don’t agree with it, though. I think the distinction between “voter fraud” and “violated election law” is clear to even a casual reader. But I can see your argument that it’s not. Of course the way to sure that misleading impression is to correct it, just like I did with your “local law” characterization. That’s a line I thought made a misleading impression, but rather than start swooning about how you’re a demonic liar from the pits of Hades, I simply asked what you meant.
Not at all. ACORN was responsible for violating the laws of Nevada by illegally paying workers per registration gathered, a law presumably put in place to avoid fraudulent voter registrations and ultimately to avoid fraudulent voting, but they did not actually commit any fraudulent voting themselves. They just violated a law intended to shield the state against fraudulent voting.
You could research it yourself, but…
I even found you a cite from a lefty source, so your eyes wouldn’t burn.
SO when you said “local law” you actually meant “state law, but applied to a local office.”
Oh. I see.
That’s what “local law” means in that sentence? Really?
We should go get a smoothie now, since we’re buddies again. 
How utterly reasonable. Would you like banana in your smoothie?
He says, “No one in ACORN knew this was illegal,” obviously this is self-serving, but I have worked in offices with incentives on blackboards before. I used to work sales, before I became the awesome person you know today and having a bonus written on the wall isn’t uncommon.
So neither of us know the actual truth, so I’m okay assuming it was an oversight.
Yes. Honestly. Bricker, I’ve never lied to you that I know of. And honestly, I said “local law” because it was a local office, and not ACORN central that came up with the program. It had offices in 50 states, and one of the states had a law against it, so that local office violated a local law.
I’m not even sure why you think this is a gotcha. I even explain that we’re talking about one branch in that same post.
You know what? I’m taking my smoothie machine and leaving.
Before you go, whip me up a Michoacán Mango smoothie? Or as I call it, the Breakfast of Champions…
Jesus Marimba, Florida is going to be a thermonuclear clusterfuck this election day…
And how is that different than any other year…I liked it better when it was Xanth.
A caller to the Stephanie Miller Show this morning said that Republican members of her family were notified by mail of the voter ID law in Pennsylvania and the Democratic, Green and Independent members were not.
The caller did not say if that was an official or party communication.
The state of Pennsylvania awarded the contract to educate Pennsylvanians about the need for voter ID to a company stacked with right-wing hypocrites.
The Ohio state government had a plan to limit voting in Democrat counties and backed off only after massive protests and litigation.
One might be curious what comment the right-wing hypocrites in this thread make on these two cases. But it would be like comparing bags of feces to determine which smells less fetid.
I’m more curious what foreign Dopers make of all this. Team Romney is following in the tradition of GW Bush et al to subvert democracy on a scale reminiscent of “banana Republics.” Half of America is unaware of it. What a pathetic joke the “Land of the Free, Home of the Brave” has turned into.
An empty slogan, perhaps, but less of an empty slogan now than a hundred years ago. We’re working on it. We only lose if we surrender.
I understand Sweden is nice. Why don’t you move there?
Because it would leave hypocrite liars, and fake-ass Christians like you in charge of the largest military on the planet.
Can you imagine a purely Republican US? With you soft-heads in charge it would be like an obese Mongol Horde.
Eh. It was worth a try.
What, acting like a twat?
[Hands 'luci a Mango smoothie]
I keep reading along hoping that the cognitive dissonance displayed by ‘the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors’ might be overcome by infusions of additional facts. Such as **septimus’ **link above, which reveals that the contract to provide educational efforts totals less than $250k. As I recall, the estimated number of people likely to be without required id is about 750k. By my mathematical analysis, this works out to roughly – not a fucking hell of a lot. Less than the cost of a single first class stamp apiece to mail a notification. Regardless of the political affiliation of the contractees, this is asinine.
I apologize for no longer bothering to post any new facts myself, the reward just isn’t worth my effort. But I appreciate the rest of you, whose tolerance for head banging is obviously much greater than mine.
Since I’m still hanging around, maybe I can get a smoothie too? I’m violently allergic to mango (that damn cashew family is filled with poisonous plants!), but maybe you’ve got something in chocolate?
No comment on the cases, Brick? Admitting your feces are fetid, is it?
As a matter of fact, asshole, although born in the U.S.A. I no longer live there. Pitiful excuses for humanity like you are a big reason why.