I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1)

Sorry, but that’s liberal fantasy nonsense.

There are no people who work two or three jobs during the hours that the ID centers are open, over the weeks that the ID requirement has existed. None.

If they don’t have an ID center in their county then they go to the next county – an 18 mile trip, according to your link. That’s a minimal inconvenience.

Not at all. The trial judge gets to make a factual determination. That’s essentially unreviewable by the higher court.

I get it – you don’t like Crawford. Too bad: Crawford is the law.

Failure???

Look around you. Look at all the states with voter ID laws.

“If this be failure, let us make the most of it.”

Funfact: When slavery was legal, Bricker was pro-slavery.

When mixed race marriages were illegal, Bricker was against mixed race marriages.

I only assume he’s pro abortion.

Because legal is the same thing as right, ain’t that so you silly bitch?

You’re the failure Bricker. Because you can’t argue your position. And you’re doing the exact thing I was mocking you for in the post you quoted.

You’re not the person your dog thinks you are.

“It’s the law, so it is right.”

The last refuge of the authoritarian coward, whose moral core is created, changed and controlled by others. Who follows orders, no matter how vile, as long as they are coming from an authority figure. Who do not question, because asking questions is an affront to authority, and must therefore be quashed.

OK, now, hold up there, hoss. Bricker is obnoxiously and stubbornly wrong. But he’s not getting fitted for an SS uniform, or anything.

But, so long as we are on the subject, from the wild-eyed radicals at DailyKos (thinkProgress has another much the same…)

Study: Suppressing the Latino Vote Could Provide the Margin of Victory in Some States

The article goes into some degree of depth not reflected in the “money quote”, as well as an interesting wrinkle involving Puerto Rican citizens, and the peculiar circumstances of their voter eligibility.

Your correspondent from the conservative wing of the extreme left makes no guarantee about these folks, never heard of them before now.

But even if they are exaggerating, unless it is an exaggeration of galactic proportions, this may prove to be a much more serious situation than a principled dispute about voting rights. Make the Florida Debacle look like Romper Room. And there really are no good outcomes, only less vile ones.

Anyone who goes to the polls to vote and is turned away due to a legalistic maneuver by corrupt Republicans is not likely to forget it, any time soon. Their “voter confidence” will be compromised, to say the least. And they will know who to blame.

If the Republicans scam a one-time political victory out of this, they will be writing their political suicide note. No honest conservative could be anything but ashamed and disgusted. (Barry Goldwater will rise from his grave and hitchhike to the nearest border). They will arouse a permanent state of hostility among the brown, the liberal, and the sane.

If they do all of this and lose power anyway, they will be, to use the technical term, “boned”.

Karma is a bitch, payback is worse, and vengeance? Oh, my.

But either way it will put a stink on us all. A bad one. There will be great disorder under Heaven, and the situation will totally bite. Even if a goodly number of Republicans have second thoughts, its too late, the laws were passed, and even if they could back out now, some damage is already done in this Phallic Victory. This may be their only practical chance to win.

But sheer momentum will carry them forward, the thing is already rolling downhill, the troops are mobilized, amassing at the railroads, the drums of madness drowning good sense on all sides. * The Guns of August*, only November.

I seem to remember saying something similar to this earlier on. At least something about how the Democrats could and should be leveraging the situation to their benefit. I might have added something along the lines of they won’t because they are a bunch of do-nothing whingers, but that is a given.:stuck_out_tongue:

Dems are using this to drive voter turnout. But it’s easier to obstruct than it is to run around.

Simpson has indicated that he may block the law.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/20120926_Judge_hints_he_may_block_Pennsylvania_voter_ID.html

Same conclusion reached by the right leaning Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/in-the-fight-against-voter-fraud-the-gop-finds-little-5q70bbj-171252201.html

And fraud that has been found usually involves registration not ID fraud.

Hard to believe this paper endorsed Scott Walker - twice, and probably will endorse Mitt Romney and Tommy Thompson.

The end justifies the means.

Anyway, if it’s legal, it is perfectly moral and fine to disenfranchise voters based on their proclivity to vote for the “wrong” party. Don’tcha know.

And far, *far *easier than to persuade.

For whatever it’s worth:

In DeCarlo’s own words:

Decarlo then contacted the office of Republican state representative Milne.

I can only quote 4 paragraphs but it’s not a long article so you can read the whole thing. He was told by the offices his state rep and state senator that he was okay as long as the names were substantially the same, but why didn’t the workers at the DMV know that?

I guess retired CEO Anthony DeCarlo is a lazy Democrat who “can’t be arsed” to get a free ID. Maybe it would help if somebody somewhere could be arsed to give him a straight answer without him having to contact his elected representatives.

He’s someone who has the time and resources to do what needs to be done (if he can figure out what that is). What happens to somebody without his education and resources? What happens to somebody who does what they’re told to do by some poorly trained DMV clerk and then finds out on election day that they were told the wrong thing? What happens if there are hundreds or thousands of people like this, holding up the lines at the poll?

But hey, if you can’t be arsed to fight the bureaucracy tooth and nail for your right to vote - if you can’t be arsed to spend hours at the DMV only to be given bad advice, I guess you’re arsed!

(Now someone will come along and attack me as a boohoo crybaby or as someone who wants to let illegals vote and that anyone who doesn’t have the time and resources to fight this battle is un-American and doesn’t deserve to vote.)

The law clearly permits him to use his passport as an ID. The law clearly permits him to use his driver’s license as an ID. He has both of those already. He has no problem, except in the minds of desperate liberals hoping against hope they find someone with a legitimate gripe.

The original letter quoted in the cited article says that he took his passport with him, yet still had to jump through hoops. I’d say that his problem disn’t only exist in the minds of frenzied liberals, but was a real issue caused by inadequately informed bureaucrats. You can argue that this shouldn’t be a problem, that the clerks ought to have been properly informed and trained (and I quite agree with that), but it seems that the practical reality is that this WAS a problem for him. And who knows for how many more who might find out when it’s too late.

The article describes his problems. They appear to be real. Are you saying the article is fiction?

And it gets worse, especially in Florida.

Forget it, BrainGlutton. It’s obviously their own lazy ass fault, or liberal’s imagination, or who the hell knows what else.

The article does not explain why he believed he needed any additional ID, does it?