I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors (Part 1)

Eh, she’d probably end up voting Whig, anyway.

Meanwhile Bricker chuckles at that lazy bitch for not getting her shit in order.

Yeah, her burden’s pretty light after all, nothing compared to getting mustard-gassed by the Kaiser.

Curious. Wonder how Tennessee can verify an unrecorded birth?

Pretty sure it was mentioned one day at law school.

A prosecutor cannot convict.

I think I am.

  1. You didn’t get the reference to Brian Johnson.
  2. Yes, in general, fake IDs are used to pretend to be someone you are not. But specifically, would you say fake IDs are used for a particular purpose? If you were playing “Family Feud,” and the question was, “Why would someone get a fake ID?” what do you expect the number one answer would be?

No. I, at least, am talking about illegally cast votes. These include but are not limited to votes cast by a felon whose rights are not restored, votes cast by a non-citizen, votes cast in the wrong jurisdiction, and votes cast by a voter who has already voted.

I’m just curious: did you read my references earlier in the thread to Ramon Cue?

It just seems as though no matter how often I answer this question, it gets asked again.

In self-defense, I have begun asking people to summarize my arguments as they understand them. Interestingly enough, only one person has done it, and this person was not one of my vigorous interlocutors.

Can you explain what you mean?

Perhaps you meant that a prosecutor cannot enter a verdict of conviction? That’s true, but of course irrelevant, since that’s not what I said.

It’s a wonder American democracy is still standing.

Yes. A prosecutor can only make a case for it.

I just hope this doesn’t lead to competing dictionary cites on the definition of “evidence”.

My answer to Ruby Barber is: Tom Vinger.

Right. And “to convict,” also means to make a case for a guilty verdict.

From here: Convict Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

New proposed SDMB slang…

To webster: to post a dictionary definition at though it actually proved something.

Sweet Og, how I hate webstering…

Webster, my ass. The word is “Brickering.” (Nice allusion to “bickering,” don’t you think? Also evokes a “brick wall,” which Bricker often seems to resemble.)

To be ruthlessly fair, I doubt that he is a particularly frequent transgressor. Hard for me to be sure, because whenever someone does it I tend to suffer mental lapses due to the tension on my cranium from teeth clenched to a point where I could bite through sheet metal.

You do realize that China is on the other side of the planet in a different time zone? I don’t live in Hong Kong, Virginia. Sorry, forgot that you think the world is flat and that other countries are just a myth perpetrated by the Inner party overlords. Any examples that such mythical states, eg Eastasia, could provide of better ways of doing things than you currently are are immediately suspect.

BTW, nice signature. Appropriate.

The only thing which I could contribute to a shambling horror of a thread as long as this is that I used to support strict voter ID laws…

…until I was disenfranchised by a stupid clerical error and as a result was prevented from voting in a local election.

When you receive a letter in the post telling you the election board never heard of you and that you need to prove your citizenship IMMEDIATELY, complete with vague threats that you might be guilty of a crime by attempting to vote without the proper qualifications, it sends a chill down your spine.

My roommate passed away not too long ago. In the mail, I received his sample ballot. It would have certainly been possible for me to go and vote twice, one with my ballot and once with his. Or I could have conspired with someone to go and impersonate him and vote in his place, as I might have been recognized.

If the Voter ID proponents could show that this sort of thing actually does happen in significant numbers, I might have more sympathy for their proposals.

I’d also insist that voter ID cards be as easy to obtain as supermarket customer-loyalty cards. They’d have to be available, free, in five minutes or less, at any Post Office, any DMV, any Police Station, or any Library.

So, when the proponents manage to meet these two requirements: show an actual need for the law, and guarantee that it will not provide an undue burden to the right to vote – I’ll be more sympathetic.

Until then, I demand you put safety railings alongside all city sidewalks, because someone might slip and fall. Why not? It’s every bit as reasonable.

We want to thank you for accepting that chilly spine. I hope it wasn’t as horrific as this thread.

Stories like yours improve our confidence in the electoral process. I hope it was a very close election: as we know from Bricker, that would have made your sacrifice particularly valuable.