I will note, of course, that Bricker is hardly alone in this opinion.
Gah, I’ve told you before that Canada doesn’t have universal ID and we require voter ID. Are you deliberately being dense?
I can certainly imagine that there are numerous issues with getting an ID.
A meteor could hit your house and put you in a coma for 4 years.
A lion could eat your kid and you are so despondent about it that nothing else matters.
Aliens could abduct you and the time differential of travelling at near light speeds stops you from arriving back on earth in time to get an ID.
All sorts of bullshit excuses as to why in 4 fucking years, or 1460 days, or 35040 hours, or assorted minutes and seconds, some person can’t get their sorry ass down to a registry to get an ID. There are very, very few excuses for a person not being able do it in that sort of time frame.
As I’ve posted previously, only 5% of people have two jobs (90% who probably have ID’s now). How many have two jobs continuously over a 4 year period? Kids have to go to school sometime. They can call the government to find out the necessary information, etc, etc. Excuses, excuses. You want to vote, you’ll find a way to overcome such petty annoyances. When you actually look at the subset of people where these issues apply over a 4 year period, you don’t end up with many people left who can’t get the necessary legwork (such as it is) done.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w.htm
About 30 seconds worth of searching on the internet on how to get your birth certificate in the US. A quick check on one location (Pennsylvania) provides ways for obtaining it without having a current ID. Most States probably have similar arrangements.
You’ve said this multiple times. What you’ve neglected is that this is still a problem whether Canada does it or not.
A problem with or for whom?
For those without ID. More specifically, for those without ID or the means to easily obtain ID.
It’s easy to obtain an ID. It is easy in the US. I provided links above. Only a very small portion of those who don’t have ID should have a problem. If Canadians can’t get their government to do it, then they can contact their MP, or the political parties directly for help.
And that’s all it takes to make it so that voter ID laws have a net negative effect.
You mean that your party may lose votes vs some other party? Sure, how many people do you think fall within that range?
You really have no proof that it causes a negative effect because countries other than the US still manage to vote in left of center governments, including Canada, with such laws in place.
AHAHAHAHA!
It’s EASY to obtain ID in the US? Obviously these people have not dealt with the DMV or tried to receive a passport on short notice.
Sure, with unlimited time and a lot of money, any citizen can get an ID. If you don’t have unlimited time AND/OR are short of money. You cannot. It’s that simple.
No, I mean that the number of people prevented from voting legally will trump the number prevented from voting illegally, meaning that the system has, overall, become less representative. That is what a net loss means in this context.
Why are you trying to frame this as a partisan issue? Canada is not the USA, and I find requiring something which is not universally present, let alone that 10% of the country doesn’t have, in order to voe completely and utterly abhorrent.
I have a different idea on what short notice is. 4 years between elections. 4 Months until the next one.
I think Pennsylvania required the huge sum of $10 to get a birth certificate.:rolleyes:
I forgot. You’re ‘special’. And if you think I mean that in any way other than the retarded way you’d be incorrect. Because that is what your argument is boiling down to when you say you are somehow different and can’t expect people do simple tasks to vote.
Think of all the shut-ins who can’t get down to vote due to their agoraphobia. Think of all the fat people who can’t get out their doors. Think of all the crack heads who can’t be clean enough to figure out their own name let alone get an ID to vote. All the people on life support with a brain fluctuation from zero once a month. We need their input if our democracy is to survive! Woe is me:(
Anyone with brains enough to vote can figure out how to get an ID.
Uzi, I’ve explained how it’s entirely possible for someone to be essentially unable to get voter ID despite being able-bodied and moderately intelligent. I’ve explained how 10% of the population not having ID in this day and age should really be cause to think “huh, why is that happening?”. Why is this not getting through to you?
Yes, anyone can figure out how to get an ID. I can figure a plan to make billions of dollars, assuming I have a time machine and a few thousand to invest in apple, microsoft, and IBM. Actually getting ID is time-consuming, very possibly expensive (good luck walking 30 miles to the DMV), and even among those who can do this, the response is liable to be “You know what? On my one free day this month, I’d like to spend time with my family instead of jumping through hoops to make sure my vote gets counted.” And that should damn well raise a few red flags.
Again, lemme ask: what type of time/money expenditure would be unreasonable for the sake of preventing voter fraud? What if the wait times at the DMV were such that if you didn’t line up in front of the door before it opened, you won’t be able to get everything done before closing time? What if the average person had to travel 30-50 miles to get to the nearest DMV? What if the processing costs for getting a birth certificate were $200? Would we have a problem?
Because $10 is very valuable to someone living on the street. Anything outside of reasonable walking distance (~6 miles) is going to be pricy for those with no car, and impossible for those with no car in places with no public transportation. Anything more than a few hours is a ridiculous amount of time for those who work multiple jobs.
And you know what? I would put up with these extra hurdles if they were actually necessary. But they aren’t. Voter fraud is a non-existent problem. IT SIMPLY ISN’T HAPPENING ON ANY SCALE THAT SHOULD MATTER.
Homeless voters in Canada Link
Uh, that quote wasn’t mine, but luckily I agree with every word of the original post.
Uzi, you and Bricker have the same problem grasping basic mathematics. I am pretty much a math dunce, and even I can figure this one out.
Weird, I just hit the quote button. Sorry about that, it was not intentional.
I can figure it out, too. Only a very tiny number of people who want to vote might not be able to because of a requirement to prove who they are. But I’m sure the press will find all 5 of them.
I didn’t have a government ID until I was 21 and got a US passport, and I only got that because I needed it to travel. Passport costs over a hundred bucks now.
Why didn’t I have an ID? Combination of reasons, one of which is that I felt good standing up to the constant requests for ID with have none, striking a blow against THE MAN.
Second is that over the age of 18? I think it becomes harder to get state IDs if you are essentially a vagrant because they start asking for stuff like proof of residency etc.
No worries.
I’m sure your math is way off, though. “All 5 of them” would, rather, be an excellent estimate of the number of fraudulent votes nationally.
Why should I care what “you find?”
I care what the legislatures of the states find. I care what the courts find.
You and your band of looney leftists? Not remotely.
Whew. OK. It IS necessary. Because what’s necessary is not your decision to make.