Cool. Because I didn’t suggest that either. Just that it’s obviously not rocket science to accomplish this. Just as many here think it isn’t rocket science for the US to have a Health Care System like the rest of the world, it should certainly be easier to have a voter ID system like the rest of the world, even if both of those things need to be done at the state level.
That’s pretty funny. You realize, I am sure, that Elvis will now point out that his stating that the voter ID laws in the U.S. are conclusively and inherently discriminatory does not in any way imply that anyone said that the laws in the U.S. are conclusively and inherently discriminatory. Nor does the conclusion mean there are insurmountable practical issues with installing such laws. Or something.
Now go away, the adults are discussing this, m’kay? :rolleyes:
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Let’s keep in mind that the US is the only country in the world where partisans in power try to game the system. Those other countries with voter ID laws? They are governed by angelic entities of the purest kind.
True. To be fair, I hadn’t thought about East Utopia, whose system is a model for the world to marvel at. And let’s not forget the Country of the Houyhnhnms, from Gulliver’s Travels. Those horses had their shit together.
I will concede that point, I doubt anyone knows more about horseshit than you do.
I am not used to seeing you be so disingenuous and smarmy. Oppositional and sometimes dumb, yes, but never so obviously shit-eating. What gives?
A wise man once said, better to know about horseshit than for what you know to be horseshit. That wise man? Me. And I did say it once, just a second ago.
A bank shot ad hominem. If I align myself with Xeno, who has aligned himself with Elvish, am I still at risk for Elvish cooties?
I suppose it’s possible that I may, someday, seek validation from posters on this MB. For now, though, I’m good. Thanks anyway for your concern.
OK, why not? Here’s a plan, tell me why not.
Adopt and adapt the Minnesota method, whereby a citizen without appropriate ID can register and vote if a registered voter will attest, under penalty of perjury, that the citizen is personally known to the registered voter, that he is who he says he is, that he lives at the given address. Register the citizen to vote, take his picture and store the picture digitally. The voter ID card will be mailed to the given address in a few weeks. Badda-boom, badda-bing, not only a registered voter, but a voter ID voter!
Prosecutable, if need be, if there is voter fraud, then not only the voter can be prosecuted, but the guy who swore the oath! Cringe in fear, activist CASA volunteers and radical ACORNistas!
Voters who are already registered but have not sufficient ID can get theirs the same way, though I would imagine we can set aside the attestation part, since they are already registered. Hell, slap a thumbprint on it if you are still worried!
And hey! Further upside! A whole bunch of previously unregistered voters enter into the public arena! More democracy, what a great idea, who could possibly be against that?
One guess who would be against that. The political party that does not want an expanded voter base. The one that will fight this tooth and nail, if anyone dares to suggest it, or offer a bill to legislate it.
The reason that free, easy, reliable and convenient voter id for all isn’t implemented is! the Republicans don’t want it. That’s it.
Have you ever been diagnosed with a cognitive deficit? You really should get screened.
It’s been explained to you carefully enough that your failure to comprehend is your own fault entirely.
When (make that If0 you and **John **ever find a clue as to what the grownups are actually talking about, do please show us.
Prove your identity to vote? Why, that’s crazy talk. That would prevent people voting where they liked and as many times as they liked, a disgraceful and certainly racist impingement on basic human rights. The notion is repellent. Damn those wicked Republicans!
What evidence can you offer that that is actually a thing?
And I’m tempted to say that I’m not sure how you think a conclusion that a condition does exist is the same as an assumption that it must exist, but I’m pretty sure you actually do know the difference.
Others have mentioned the ad hominem and the disingenuity here, but I gotta axe: Is this how you intend to conduct your part of the argument from here on? If so, I’ll give your future posts the same consideration I’ve been giving Stratocaster and just gloss over them to see if I can spot an accidental pony in the pile without really digging into it.
I’m OK with that.
Look, I’m not out there saying we need voter ID laws. I just don’t see that they will necessarily do any significant harm. It’s rather pointless to oppose them, because they are extremely popular and are not going to be shot down by the courts. Better to help craft them in a way that will make is as easy as possible to get an ID. I’m all for it. Make them free, and easy to get.
Do whatever you like. I’ll survive.
Yep, this was predicted. You are a fucking tool, but at least you are consistent.
And there’s a pony.
Helping to “craft [voter id laws] in a way that will make it as easy as possible to get an ID” is what most of us have been advocating when questioned. If the legislatures that passed the laws under debate here had done some simple things to make sure the ID’s were as close to universal among eligible voters as feasible and economical to do, we wouldn’t have had this thread for very long.
I know it’s a long thread, but if you missed those loooong exchanges about this very aspect, you haven’t paid much attention to it.
ETA: Saw your post edit there, John. Bravo. You’ve handily retained your smarmy douchebag credibility.
Been discussed at length. Bottom line, to repeat: Go do your homework.
Except for the ones that already have been. You haven’t been paying attention at all, have you?
Pop quiz: Tell us why that isn’t happening.
Damn, boy, you’re a piece of work.
Elucidator made a post today, and I responded to it today. What difference does it make how long the thread is?
Oh, please. “I’m not going to pay any attention to your posts anymore” is one of the most childish things you can say on this MB. We’re all a bunch of anonymous posters. Why should any of us care who reads our posts or not? I’ve been posting here for over a decade, so one less person reading my posts is of no matter.
OK, 'fess up, who are you, and what have you done with John Mace? Is there a ransom involved, we could probably raise something in the high two figures…