Dirty political tricks in Chicago. Who would have guessed?
I’d be interested in seeing how one could craft legislation to prevent robocalls (that are already illegal). Does anyone care to make a suggestion?
Clearly we should require some kind of ID for people calling . . . a caller ID?
CMC fnord!
For what it’s worth, these are the kinds of shenanigans I can see justifying taking away someone’s franchise, indeed banning them from any participation in the electoral process.
General felonies… justification is lacking.
Yeah, well what about the half a million fake registrations ACORN did in New Mexico? Maybe it was four hundred thousand and in Arizona. But it was a lot and it was somewhere!
Anyway, the laws must have worked, because I don’t recall hearing a single Republican complain about voter fraud this time. Owe them a debt of gratitude, what with that and stopping Ebola.
Your fucking point was tied directly to your lie:
Here’s the only part of your screed that doesn’t involve the claim that was a lie:
Yes, they actually happened. Yes, they were organized by GOP-leaning activists. But no, they didn’t steal any votes. At best, they flumoxxed some very brain dead people.
That must be a very comforting fiction for you, along with assuming the burdens are “minimal.” Just decide that only stupid or lazy people will be affected, and then disregard them on that basis. Huzzah.
Except that the claim is not that some people received robocalls, were flummoxed, and then failed to vote. It’s that some people received robocalls, were flummoxed, failed to show up to do their job as “election judges” (which I assume is the people who help run the polling station, based on context), leading to extremely long lines, presumably leading to OTHER people not voting, because they had to go to work or had to go pick their kids up from school, or what have you.
“Election officials say the calls are the reason why as many as 2,000 election judges quit or failed to show on Election Day, leading to long lines and mishaps at the polls.”
I actually think that this kind of thing is, in isolation, fairly comparable to badly-written voter ID laws. It may not make it IMPOSSIBLE for any single person to vote, but if it significantly adds difficulty for some but not all voters, demographically tilted in a way likely to favor one party, it is clearly antidemocratic.
The difference, of course, is that there is not a concerted legal and political effort by Republicans in many states to implement deceptive robocalls, so it’s just a dirty trick, rather than an ongoing attempt at quasi-disenfranchisement.
How very thoughtful! Has anyone thanked them?
Yes. And as it’s a dirty trick, it in no way is analogous to the execution of properly-formed policy. No one is arguing that the action taken should be legal. It’s not, and the malefactors will be dealt with by process of the law.
And I certainly agree with that outcome.
I’m not sure what the deal actually was - to manage elections requires workers, to be sure, but was it up to the Republicans (and Democrats, too, I presume) to provide those workers? I can get why the parties would want observers at the polls, but how is this not an irresistible temptation for a party to promise to provide hundreds of election judges in particular venues, then decide those venues are likely to vote for the opposing party and pull them by any means, fair or foul?
Perhaps I’ve been spoiled by my country’s determinedly nonpartisan policies.
Voting under a false name is also already illegal, with malefactors who will be dealt with by process of law.
Republicans are proposing onerous and discriminatory ID legislation to prevent the crime of in-person voter fraud before this (largely fictional and incredibly inefficient) crime could affect the ballot. What similar steps will the Republicans take to make this form of vote-stealing harder to commit in advance?
p.s. Nice job dodging the fact that you were completely fucking wrong about the nature of the robocalls, Bricker. Next time you accuse me of lying three times without any supporting evidence, at least do me the courtesy of reading what I posted first.
Nope.
As has been mentioned once or twice or eighty-four times before in this very thread, without Voter ID, there’s no real way to prosecute voting under a false name.
Ramon Cue is the example that you might remember. If he’s telling the truth, then someone voted under his name, and there’s no way to find that person.
Not onerous or discriminatory.
What steps are you proposing?
What the hell are you talking about? Nothing I said was wrong.
He said what? That you were wrong? The Devil you say! Let me scroll up here, can’t quite believe the temerity…by OG! He did! He did say exactly that!
You’ve stopped even reading, haven’t you?
Now, about this robocall shit, I dunno. I mean, none of them got suspicious, put in a call to check? Something’s not right here but I’m not quite sure yet what it is.
And besides, we only have secondary sources here, so no one is obliged to accept any of it. Any of you guys election judges? Or braindead?
I mean, without primary sources, we got nothing… Everybody knows that.
I thought the brain dead people who got flummoxed were the election workers who thought they shouldn’t work that day based on the robocalls. If Bricker was instead referring to voters, then yes, he was wrong. And quite duh-wrong at that.
Well, sure, but who the fuck is that naive? In Chicago? Far be it from me to underestimate the treachery of the Republican Party, but this just doesn’t hang together. Something is missing.
Heck, I don’t get why they’d fuck with their own supporters/volunteers. Is their thinking really that short term?
I don’t see any logical way to reconcile a dismissive comment that the calls “flummoxed some braindead people” with the knowledge that these “braindead people” caused late poll openings and 7-hour delays by not being present to do their jobs.
But maybe there’s something I’m not seeing.
If these election workers are so braindead that they’re fooled by phony phone calls why should we think that they won’t also be fooled by phony IDs?
CMC fnord!