My comment wasn’t a parody. The only people that get automatically registered are those with drivers’ licenses. According to the impassioned debate in this very thread, the population of people that have drivers’ licenses excludes minorities.
This just seems to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Clearly, I know you can see the difference between:
- Getting registered to vote while getting a license
- NEEDING a license in order to register to vote
OK, so there are a few disconnected data points. Like the utter insignificance of voter fraud. Tightening acceptance standards for ID’s to exclude student ID’s. Cutting back on early voting and specifically targeting the “Sunday voting” custom among black votes. Making it more difficult to register voters (Take that! League of Women Voters!). And now, curtailing the availability of offices to register voters, which by sheer coincidence falls most heavily on the poor and/or black.
And, of course, expert testimony that “some” Republicans have malign motives in all of this. As I’ve noted, clarification has been requested but we are left with a word that can mean two, fifty, five hundred, ten thousand or more. All of which are “some”.
“Some” people see a pattern here.
Can you quote examples of this love? Before I offer up some possible opinions for debate, I kind of like to know if you’re squaring off against figments of your own imagination, because that would modify my approach significantly.
Well, golly, how might that be? Hmmm. OK., maybe if minority people tended to have less money? Been some studies on that, pretty sure. And wouldn’t it follow that people who have less money tend to have less stuff? Like, say, cars. Just for instance. I’m gonna take a wild stab at it, say that people who don’t own cars are less motivated to obtain a driver’s license. Yeah, I’m a wild man. Impassioned, in that I give a shit.
So, no, that doesn’t “exclude”. That merely “impedes”. Just like voter id laws are not “disenfranchising”, because they do not forbid voting, they merely make it more difficult and time consuming. For “some” people.
It was never about delivering a crushing blow to the Dem leaning electorate. It was about trimming away just enough to gain a couple of percentage points. Fifty percent plus one. However, a wrong committed with modest goals and objectives is still wrong.
Heck, I’ll cheerfully stipulate that even if it had no effect or possibly even a negative effect because potential Democratic voters responded in larger numbers out of spite, it was still a wrong thing to do.
I’m very curious to hear Bricker’s explanation for this.
That you say that in this thread after more than three years of repetitive argument is some sort of testament to your objectivity. Or patience. Or very flat learning curve.
Well, given that Bricker claims he supports the Oregon law, and therefore disagrees with the position taken by every single Republican lawmaker, this is actually new and untrod ground.
Maybe he’s holding out hope for the salvation of Bricker’s soul.
Anyhoo, I’m not sure if Bricker was counting me as one of those who “love” the Oregon bill, but I have to say I’m rather underwhelmed by it. It’s downright tepid compared to the Canadian registration experience, which is overseen by a Federal agency set up specifically to that end who works in conjunction with its provincial counterparts and culls voter registration information from multiple sources to constantly update the lists. Just a few days ago, I got a notice with my name on it of when and where to vote in our upcoming Federal election. If I did not receive such a notice, the onus would be on me to find out why, and I don’t anticipate political efforts to roadblock me on this.
My Federal tax return has a box that says:
I casually agree to this every year, though I understand Elections Canada could also get my info from the provincial agencies that give out driver licenses, health insurance cards, etc. You’d probably have to make a conscious effort to live off the grid (or at least off governmental radar) to* avoid *getting registered automatically. It helps if you’re not all paranoid and shit.
Not when they’re out to get you! Don’t help at all, then!
OK. I will bate my breath (figuratively) and wait to be surprised, while Bricker does a back-of-the-napkin calculation of the isolated administrative costs to the state resulting from the law (but not the projected net change in such costs), about which the Oregon GOP will have been concerned enough to vote NAY. Or, I may be surprised by Bricker’s unequivocal condemnation of the rank partisanship within the Oregon HoR, followed by a denial of any harm in voter id laws and a restart of the same wash, rinse, repeat procedure we’ve been locked into for the last 40 months.
Very telling. But, from what I’ve read, all the offices were closed in counties where the AA majority was 75% or more, not just a simple majority.
This is what people were predicting as the next GOP step. And it is evil.
The so-called black belt of Alabama is 12 to 15 counties, depending on how defined. Very convenient for the GOP to close the ID source for all of them.
I could buy concerns about data security… well, in the sense that I recognize the validity of being concerned about data security. The solution is actually pretty straightforward - increase data security.
Well, sure, trust a Canadian to go for a Big Government socialistic fix!
So people who are too irresponsible to so much as acquire an ID are responsible enough to help elect people to run this country?
Sounds like a brilliant idea…
All men are created equal. If you get to pick which Democrats are too dumb to vote, we get to pick which Republicans are too dumb to vote, and I don’t think you want to go there.
Well I’m not a Republican so you can “go there” all you’d like lol.
I just find it hard to believe that people flip out when asked to provide proof of who they are to vote like it’s some big conspiracy to block them out of society.
It’s a simple ID card. If you can’t get off your lazy ass and procure one of these measly things then maybe voting is above your pay grade…