And this just in…
Voter ID law may affect more Pennsylvanians than previously estimated
Well, my voter confidence is soaring now!
Say, Pennsylvania? Isn’t that the place where…
A proud day for Republicans everywhere! Take a bow, Counselor! No, really, you deserve it!
Here’s my quote again:
I think context is relevant here:
If my quote was the first earnest use of the term “disenfranchisement” with an anti-ID sentiment, then it was only in response to its use in Bricker’s strawman. At which point I’d have referred to electoral fraud in the Florida election as an example of disenfranchisement. It’s arguable whether those without ID are disenfranchised. Using one common (non-legal) definition, they are deprived of something - it just happens that voting is not a positive legal right enumerated by the US constitution.
I think it’s eke (yes, i just made an argument against a strict semantic definition of disenfranchise, gosh, more liberal hypocrisy for everyone).
and it’s their responsibility to rectify those problems or to provide a reasonable argument as to why the solution is less heinous than the problem in the first place. In this instance, I think they’ll have a hell of a time (TIME article referring to Cato research! Bricker will love it, I’m sure).
But, but, but it was enacted by the legislature! So it’s good.
Plus, I have a Pennsylvania driver’s license. Therefore, everyone should.
Bricker:
Currently, Minnesota has fairly restrictive voter registration laws but no law requiring photo ID to be presented at the polling place. It is a somewhat archaic but remarkably effective system. In fact they do quite a bit of work behind the scenes and have many checks to ensure that the voter rolls are clean and accurate. In the last election, 2.8 million citizens managed to crawl from their caves and in between their six jobs cast a ballot. 160 felons under management cast a ballot, 140 resulted in criminal prosecution. Apparently twenty tramped off to Hong Kong before they were caught.
Today, if you ask ten Minnesotans if photo ID should be required at the polls, seven will say “of course, common sense, I have ID.” If you should ask the same question and inform them of the unintended consequences, seven will say “stupid law, clever lawyers, who the fuck is ALEC?.”
Polling is the way we try to determine the will of the people, it is a far from perfect system. One may even say it is a terribly flawed and suggest ways to improve it, shrinking the sample pool is not such a way. Would that we could do a painless civics lesson brain injection and DNA scan, sadly this is not yet possible and if we change the Minnesota Constitution this fall we will have to amend this sacred document to adapt to each and every new technology as it comes along.
Well, if 90% of people have an ID then, yes, I would say it is both easy and natural to have ID. Exceedingly easy, so easy that my ass was able to say it.
Pretend the Supreme Court just ruled that no can ask for ID at the polls, that it’s a dead issue. That 10% of people without ID is still fucking bizarre. I’m asked for my ID so often that I can safely judge that 10% of the population are*** fucksticks ***because if I got prompted a couple of times a day for something I didn’t have, I’d fucking figure out how to get it.
You’ve listed a full-time job as a reason someone might not get an ID. Seriously? It’s something that crops up for everyone, oops, I mean 90% of people, sorry, I was listening, really. It’s so common in fact that most people go to their supervisor or HR and request a schedule adjustment so that they can conduct their business like adults. Wow, blows the mind doesn’t it? It’s almost as though someone who works full time or 2 jobs might just know something about juggling responsibility.
Look at all of those paragraphs mah pucker pronounced, good job Ass, Imma pick you up some Charmin on the way home. I’ll probably be asked for ID when I pay with my credit card though, whew, good thing I’ve had a picture ID since I was 11 and a DL since 15, huh?
Sure. I think that in there is no organized effort to win elections via fraud, and hasn’t been since about 1960.
I think there are independent illegal voters, and they number in the hundreds, but probably not the thousands.
How many of those 758,000 voters without a PennDOT photo ID also lack other acceptable photo IDs?
Isn’t that up to the people, and not you?
I find it hilarious that you are veritably frothing at the mouth to prevent a system you say will stop people from exercising their right to vote – by the simple expedient of ignoring the results of the peoples’ right to vote.
Interesting question. Have you an interesting answer, or are you simply blowing smoke?
Uzi, I’m not at all sure you even merit a reply; you have already made it clear that you believe people who are not just like you are not as worthy of voting. You are not to my knowledge a US citizen and while you may have an impressive rate of fire with your opinions you lack aim and accuracy. Yet, out of boredom and against my better judgement:
How can you say that a legal citizen’s opinion is not valid? Provided of course, that he is not a felon under parole, or a mime, or has been judged by a mental health professional to be the type of person who would think of himself as a sub-machine gun. (Though I suppose it matters not, a US passport would not be an acceptable form of ID under the proposed Minnesota voter suppression amendment.)
You may have presented some data on other countries regarding voting rates but you’ve presented nothing that even shows a weak correlation with Voter ID laws, let alone causation. Could it be they have a higher confidence rate? Sure, it’s possible. Could it be that there is no relationship whatsoever? Yeah, every bit as possible.
The United States as a whole, vote at a rate of 41% of eligible voters. Minnesota has a 55% voting rate with what has always been sufficient registration requirements, Texas has voter suppression photo ID laws, they vote at a rate of 32%. What does this prove?
American voter turnout has increased steadily since 1996, voter suppression laws were only really in effect for the 2010 election. There was no increase in voting rates between 2008 and 2010, except for the white vote. What does this prove?
Leave Smoke out of it. I’m married now.
I am not frothing at the mouth, I’m brushing my teeth that I might have bright sparkling pearly whites for you as a I exercise my right and duty to fully understand an important issue and then speak from my heart. What are you doing to better know the will of a well informed electorate?
As we laugh together, are you not glad that I paid mind to my dental hygiene?
Absolutely. I suppose I mistook toothpaste for froth. My bad.
As to what I’m doing to better know the will of a well-informed electorate: I am awaiting the results of their participation at the voting booth, and granting legitimacy to the actions taken by their elected representatives.
Ohhhh, awaiting! That sounds regal and strenuous, you should maybe pack an energy bar. Perhaps you could devote less exertion on muddying the waters and reserve more for this noble act of awaiting.
I see. So leaving aside your startling revelations, we may assume that you simply made up something and tossed it out there? That you haven’t the slightest idea whether what you said is relevant, or not?
As a current resident of the People’s Republic of Minnesota…what? Huh? Seriously?
Doesn’t anyone find it suspicious that these claimed “Republican” legislators are pushing to pass Euro-Socialist/Communist type requirements for everyone to have a government photo ID card?
The point has been repeatedly made that in matters of voting, it shouldn’t be up to the people. I thought we learned this during the Jim Crow era. I’m sure the poll taxes and literary tests had wide support in some of the southern states. Did that make it legit?
And how are we to reliably know the will of the populace when the people most affected won’t be able to give their opinion?
Cерьезно, камрад. Greetings from steamy Minneapolis. A passport is a federal ID not a state issued ID.
Oh, right. Iowans sneaking over the border, plumb forgot. I also keep forgetting that I’m surrounded by people who voted for Jesse Ventura for Governor.