I don’t think anyone on this board is a person in charge.
You don’t need to be in charge to do this. Find one of the hundreds of thousands of people that exist without ID and give them the money and help they need in order to get an ID
I have a group that does that for me–it’s called the government. And they have the ability to reach considerably more than one person.
But you go ahead, if you think it’s a good idea.
I would, if I knew anyone who didn’t have an ID.
I’m glad you said this. I will think of it to assuage my guilt for not helping individual homeless people I see everyday.
Well, I agree with you on several points, and I do think that a free national voter ID system would probably be the best route to go, but there may be some little amount of pushback on that one.
I am not actually concerned about costs of implementation and training, as if I had my way, we’d be spending an order of magnitude or more on elections anyway (Longer hours, more polling locations, more polling locations for early voting, better trained, and paid poll workers, maybe even dedicated buildings to voting).
And, I do agree entirely with your point that the republicans who cynically advance such measures (not all republicans, some are duped, and some have very high and, IMHO, naive ideals about election integrity) do not do so due to their concern about election integrity, but instead to gain a partisan, (and incidentally, if not intentionally racial) advantage.
So, while I honestly do feel that fingerprint ID should be an acceptable form of ID, if that is the form of ID that you choose to use, I actually bring it up more to point out that republicans are not doing all they can to prevent voter fraud, but they are doing all they can to prevent marginalized populations from voting.
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Here is an example.
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Ehh, that’s a bit different. That’s actually building up a database of biometric information that could be used for nefarious purposes if some were so inclined. Much higher privacy issues, and much more expensive to implement.
My proposal is simply an ink pad and a place to stick your print, whether it be on the ballot, the ballot envelope, the signature book, or a separate book for the purpose, many polling stations have ipads for checking in, those can take fingerprints too. It would then be trivial to tell whether or not someone voter fraudulently.
Well, without your help, they’ll probably remain homeless, I guess. That’s on me.
Depends, do you support politicians who do programs to help the homeless, not only their current conditions, but in getting them out of those conditions?
If so, then you should not feel guilty about not helping them.
If, on the other hand, you are against a social safety net, then it is in fact your obligation to either help or to feel guilt for not helping.
Yes, I support a social safety net. I guess, according to you, if I see a cold homeless person, I don’t have to give him a blanket. I can just tell him “Sorry, already paid my taxes to help you! Good Luck!”
Plus, now I don’t have to volunteer at the food bank. I’ve paid my taxes for the social safety net, so why waste my time?
All those clothes and other items I donate to Goodwill? Guess I’ll just chuck them in the trash, since I’ve paid my taxes already.
Seems wrong to me somehow.
I did not say that you can not help. Just that if you support the government helping (which can do far more good than you can), then you are already helping.
If you choose to do more to alleviate the suffering of others, that’s perfectly noble as well.
Me in 2014:
I’m fine with this.
I wouldn’t consider it noble, just a decent thing to do.
And I absolutely support this.
He did it again. He provokes you guys into arguing about the validity of voter ID, as if that were the crux of the biscuit. For the one thousandth time, voter ID is not the question, the validity or the turpitude thereof. Using voter ID laws to stack the electoral deck is a crime against democracy, and should not be tolerated. He doesn’t like that, so he changes the subject.
Its like we were arguing against hay fever, and the Counselor accuses of us of being anti-pollen, and firmly defends pollen as a necessary part of nature. Which is true, but isn’t the point. Some of you guys fall for it every time. Whatzamatta you?
If the Republicans…excuse, “some” Republicans…who are advancing this dastardly scheme wanted to, there is nothing to stop them from issuing ID to every citizen and ensuring their easy access to it. It could easily be done as part of an outreach to non-registered citizens, to get more people on the voting rolls. Which party most consistently opposes any effort to expand the registered voter rolls? Here’s a hint, it starts with an “R”.
“R”, me hearties! “R”! “R”!
The article also doesn’t discuss the sinking of the Lusitania or the invention of the cotton gin. If you’d like to change the topic to things the article didn’t discuss, we’re going to need a bigger thread.
How does providing a fingerprint when you vote stack the electoral deck?
If I may be so bold, I’ll answer on behalf of elucidator. It does not. Was that a real question? Did you really not know the answer before you asked?
Then what was the complaint about? **Bricker **is for using a fingerprint during voting as the ID. If that does not stack the electoral deck, then what is **elucidator **complaining about?
To re-reiterate on elucidator’s behalf it is not about the ID. As the Court’s have been rejecting these voter ID laws, it has not been about the ID. The problems all stem from how these voter ID laws have been implemented and what ID’s are permitted, and the Courts have been regularly (if not routinely) rejecting the laws based upon discriminatory implementation.
Which legislature is proposing a fingerprint system? None? Yeah, that’s a distraction. If you want an ID, fine, make sure every eligible voter gets one. No eligible voter should face an onerous burden to obtain this ID. And for some people, eligible voters all, the bar for “onerous burden” is a lot lower than what you or I face.
So are you or are you not in favor of using a fingerprint while voting as the ID?
I think it’s mildly rude that while I answered the question you asked that chose to ask another question instead of answering mine. However, I’m a forgiving sort so I’ll answer this next question as well.
elucidator was complaining about changing the topic from using voter ID laws as back door voter suppression to the validity of the concept of voter ID laws. It’s pretty explicitly stated in the first paragraph of his post.
I’m going to ask this again. Maybe you’ll answer this time. Did you really not know the answer to your question before you asked it?