Even if your two cock accusation were true, and I were as cynical and unprincipled as you claim, and as you are, it changes nothing. Did the Dems start this fight? Are they the ones trying to hinder the voting of entirely valid voters? How does my moral character, or lack thereof, make their actions legitimate? Are the Republicans reacting in desperate fear, to protect themselves from the evil plans of the arch-fiend, 'luc?
Flattery will get you nowhere, its still dinner and a show, sweetie.
It still amazes me how reflexively and blatantly these rightwing retards project their own inclinations onto their perceived enemies.
It’s worse. They cannot even conceive of a higher principle. They don’t know any better than to think everyone subscribes to the highest principle they themselves can recognize. It isn’t immorality, it’s worse, it’s amorality.
Have to differ with you there, Elvis. Absolutists drown out all other ethical considerations in defense of their (usually facile and power-serving) principles, but they do have strong morals.
[Obligatory Lebowski Reference]Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos…[/OLR]
Respectfully, moral absolutists do genuinely believe that their beliefs are what’s good for everyone in particular or society in general. **Bricker **isn’t pretending that, which we could describe as immoral. Nor does he even show *awareness *of such a concept, something we can only call amoral.
Clearly it’s an article of faith among Republicans that their opponents are as morally debased as they are. This explains a lot about the kinds of actions Republicans – and you – support.
Hey, Bricker, can we do a “nut check” here? I know you have dropped a couple of insinuations and an anecdote that suggests that Dems are encouraging illegal alien voting. Do you think it makes an appreciable difference? Do you think that’s why Dems have a rough parity with Republicans in a country that is really Republican, but undermined by Democrat shenanigans?
Is that why this is so important to you? You believe that if voter fraud is eliminated, a major source of Dem power is thwarted? Your team will triumph when voter fraud is gone? You’ve dropped a couple of insinuations, but haven’t come right out and said so. So, I’m asking, straight up, you believe that? Is this why the electoral confidence of white Republicans is so much more important than the dignity of blacks and hispanics? Why its so important to insult those people in order to soothe the nerves of white Republicans?
Got you down as politically amoral, but not actually insane. Am I wrong about that?
And while we’re about it, was anyone else as shocked as I was to find out that only Democrats indulge in the practice of gerrymandering? Now that’s stunning news! I had always heard of it as a practice of dealmaking by incumbents, to ensure the most important principle of democracy, stability by way of perpetual incumbency. But no! Turns out, its another creepy Democrat practice!
Seriously, I had no idea! Tom DeLay (D-Undead)? Did anyone tell him?
The parties in this country are in rough parity for any number of reasons, basically all of them having to do with their respective positions. That is, as a general rule, people support Republicans and Democrats in equal number because the parties generally stake out positions close to the middle of the populace’s desired positions.
I don’t think eliminating voter fraud will have a huge effect on the outcome of elections. I have said many times, and say again, that voter fraud in the vast majority of elections is statistically insignificant: who cares if 541 voters cast illegal ballots, when the elections was decided by 50,000 votes?
Rarely, however, an election comes in razor close. In those elections, there’s no way to know for sure who benefitted. Felons voting illegally might tip it towards the Dems, yes, but snowbirds voting illegally in Florida might tip it towards the GOP.
It doesn’t matter. In a closed election, the losing side has every reason to dispute the outcome. THAT is the problem: we can’t trust the outcome when the election is very close. It has nothing to do with who is said to have won.
I am a Hispanic. The only insults to my dignity have come in this thread, from you and your fellow travelers.
No one said only Democrats do it. I said you never protest when Democrats do it. You were happy to protest Republican gerrymandering.
So all of this furor and conniption fits over thirty pages, all of it is about the vanishingly small possibility…what, one in a thousand, one in ten thousand?..that a very very close election might be decided by a bare handful of illegally cast votes? Like maybe five? Ten? For this meager possibility, you urge your party to alienate vast swaths of American voters?
I won’t ask for examples, you’ve covered that one, what with the impossibility of prosecuting voter fraud under our present laws. Neat trick, that, using a lack of evidence as evidence. Educated by Jesuits, I think you said?
But if that’s your story, and you’re sticking to it, good for you! It’s possible, after all! Its also possible that I am the Queen of Romania. It just isn’t likely. This is what I mean when I talk about your habit of using the rational to undermine the reasonable.
Why, it possible that your CASA volunteer was actually a Republican operative, hoping to con illegal aliens into attempting to vote, thus justifying mass deportations! That’s possible! You can’t prove it isn’t possible! But its not reasonable, now is it?
And if I were to advance such a preposterous notion, I fully expect you to rain scorn and derision upon it, as it would richly deserve. As I have done for yours, and will again, I’ve no doubt.
Well, I do, if I’m aware of it happening. More importantly, I don’t say “well, clearly this was ACTUALLY gerrymandering to help Democrats, but they CLAIMED that it was to to keep people from having to walk across busy streets to get to their polling places and maybe get hit by cars, so since that’s a rational reason, that’s all that matters”.
Somewhat off topic, but the whole issue of “gerrymandering” is trickier than it may appear. The demographic gymnastics of Tom DeLay in Texas is an extreme, resulting in districts that look as if drawn by a “special” computer. But what about drawing districts that are predominately minority, as an effort to ensure more minority representation? Or its opposite number, drawing a district so that it is 51% white Republican, and 49% minority Dem? Side by side with another carefully drawn district, so that large numbers of people are represented by someone who does not have their interests at heart?
Gerrymandering is one issue where the political and moral issues are truly murky. I just happen to think that Mr DeLay’s excellent adventure was truly and clearly corrupt, but that is seldom so easy a call to make.
Buh buh buh… you do it toooooooooooo!!!11
The call of the spotted Bricktwat. Doesn’t matter if the subject actually does it toooo, he’ll still scream it, because he’s too much of a coward to argue with honesty or integrity.
In any case, I, for one, don’t like gerrymandering whoever does it.
And Bricker, your genetics don’t make you an expert on the Hispanic experience in America. Your experiences do.
No one said it. But one complete anus without a shred of human dignity screamed something that suggested it while hammer-fucking a kitten:
Oh, that wasn’t the impression you were trying to convey?* Deary-me, how embarrassed I are!*
Suuuuuuuure you don’t. Your criticisms of Democratic gerrymandering are legendary.
There was the one, that day. And then that other one, the other day. Yeah, man. That was a good one.
I grew up dirt poor in a household where my father was a recent immigrant. What experience am I lacking?
Translation: gerrymandering that helps Republicans is bad. Gerrymandering that helps Democrats is good.
Right?
That’s great. Can you point me to some of your previous posts on the subject?
Here now, you had dirt? We had to make do with gravel and chicken droppings, and were damned happy to have it, too! Doff our caps to privileged folks like you, who had actual dirt!
I know lots of people who grew up poor and hard-scrabble, and are some of the finest people I ever met. And some others who grew up poor and turned out to have all the characteristics of a rattlesnake, but lacking the warmth.
In the words of the philosopher and musician, “Spider” John Koerner, Nobody Knows the Trouble I’ve Been. To hell with who you were, who are you now!
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