So is the issue the fact that they used slave labor, or the fact that they allowed citizens to own stock? It can’t be the latter, because I’m pretty sure that socialist governments allow that sort of thing. As for the slave labor part, … we’re talking about people in the concentration camp…their enemies (people they thought of as enemies). Communists killed their enemies and put them into forced labor. That doesn’t mean they were anti-labor.
I did answer you and I just explained how. ‘What does america being…’ It’s common sense. There is no one form of democratic government, just like there is no one form of union. The fact that they do x, y, z differently doesn’t mean that they aren’t the thing that they claim to be.
Both anyhow were against independent labor unions. In any case I do think that what Fuji is pointing out is that in Nazi Germany the corporations remained under the ownership of the big capitalists and they were happy to get slave labor or to help getting rid of enemies to continue to do “business”.
Just the opposite of what socialism was supposed to be.
Oh, what the hell. I’ll probably regret getting tangled in this mess, but…
Yes, Stalin put his “class enemies” in brutal labor camps. However, what he didn’t do was float an IPO and allow other Soviet citizens the opportunity to purchase a claim on the fruits of their labor. Kind of a big difference between the two systems, there.
What a relief. We have someone who isn’t retarded and actually understands that there is such a thing as an ‘independent trade union’ (which means there is such a thing as a state-controlled trade union).
Plump pudding, you could learn from this man/woman.
First and foremost, they were operating under the authority of the state. The fact that corporations collaborated with the Nazis does not make them anti-socialist, and does not take away from all of their socialist policies and aspirations (‘Strength Through Joy’). You do realize that there were industries/corporations that the Nazis did nationalize and take over for themselves?
Right. So, no socialist country in existence today allows for individuals to invest and buy stock in someone’s labor? Forget the emotional aspect of it. That’s the key point right there. And no one said that the Nazis policies were equal to Communist Russia’s. In fact, I don’t recall once even comparing the two. There are major differences between Lenin and Stalin. That doesn’t mean they don’t belong under the same banner.
This conflicts with social justice warrior sensibilities and the MeToo movement. If you’re going to be a modern leftist, you have to follow the rules. It’s not an a la carte system.
Your foot is bleeding. You might want to see a doctor about having the bullet taken out.
Statements like this push the boundaries of the definition of socialism so far out that the term becomes all but meaningless. In your first post in this thread, you alleged that Goebbels expressed approval for FDRs economic strategy, thus, I guess, implying some sort of guilt-by-association – but the lion’s share of historians feel that FDR did what needed to be done and did not go slaughtering innocents in his own country.
What I am saying is that if you were to actually succeed in categorizing Hitler as a Socialist, it would be of no consequence, because, in order to do so, you would have to so severely dilute the word that no meaningful association could be drawn between the nazis and, say, the American SWP.
More importantly, most actual modern Leftists in the US have dynamic ideology: they may approve of some of the policies of Stalin, Castro and Gorbachev while rejecting others. It is not a package that one must accept in toto.
Hence, if you want to tar the Left in this way, you will have to use a brush so incredibly broad that you will not be able to apply enough tar to its vastness to effect any kind of meaningful result upon any individual. Your ideology may demand strict adherence to all of its tenets for you to be called – whatever-the-fuck-you-are, but many competing ideologies view that kind of stricture to be a flaw rather than an asset.
This man is teaching you that you are a big time ignorant. BTW I’m a Salvadoran-American that learned the history of WWII and other subjects before you were born.
Not enough for others to notice that in general the Nazis preferred to give industries back to private hands.
Maybe its just me, but when I think of the evils of the Nazi regime they’re economic policies isn’t the first thing that comes to mind. I guess other people may feel differently, some of some of whom are very fine people. There was violence on both sides of Kristallnacht, right?
