Limbaugh: "Hitler, Lenin, Stalin were all men of the left"

Pitting Rush Limbaugh is, for lack of a better word, redundant. We could do it daily with ease.

But this buffoon outdid even himself recently by comparing the Obama administration to Hitler. He caught a good deal of flak for that so, naturally, he defends himself and does so with the statement in the OP.

“Socialism is socialism,” “Hitler, Lenin, Stalin were all men of the left”

Hitler was a lefty? Who knew? Bet that is why Hitler was so chummy with Stalin. :rolleyes:

Either he is amazingly uneducated or he is so far right politically he considers Hitler a lefty. Not sure which is scarier.

Follow the link above for other juicy bits such as:

  • “Let’s go back and compare [pay czar] to Nazi Germany”; “Hitler had a labor czar”

  • “Gibbs “wants to say I was comparing the genocidal Hitler to Obama”; “I was comparing” two socialists.”

  • Citing WaPo op-ed that acknowledges end-of-life counseling provision isn’t mandatory, Limbaugh asserts it is mandatory.

Well, Hitler was a National Socialist, who believed in all sorts of government programs. But perhaps Rush just means that Hitler is to the left of him.

There are lots of people on this very board who argue the Hitler/German fascism were a far left movement.
I blame cold war education, anything bad = left.

Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot etc all left. Hitler not so much but so far right he was giving the far left cunts a reach around.

Limbaugh’s pulling this crap? I’ve seen it on the Freepers and a bunch of weirdo, far-righters, but this takes the cake.

I usually counter the “National Socialist” argument by pointing out that the Soviets called themselves the “Soviet Socialist Republic”, but it didn’t make them republicans. :wink:

To be blunt, it was a movement of the Left, openly and avowedly, and nobody at the time particualrly disputed this. As was Musolini’s Fascist movement (although not really Franco’s). In Hitler’s specific case, he eventually came to terms with the right by presenting a “Brown or Red” scenario to them and killing off his own radicals, but he had naked contempt for the Right in Germany.

This does not inherently make the modern Left evil, as those movements attracted many types of people as they “matured”. They are predicated on different ideas. However, some observation of the link is important, and should not be ignored or shunned. Those same tendencies still exist in many political movements.

Don’t put too much faith in the name. Remember former East Germany was the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (German Democratic Republic) which was anything but democratic.

Hardly a lefty philosophy.

Err…are people really portraying fascism as a left leaning movement?

Hitler was chummy enough with Stalin to ally with him. Don’t forget about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The two of them had a great deal of common ground. That doesn’t make Hitler a “leftist” but Hitler and Stalin were two sides of the same coin. Trying to exploit this fact to make some kind of political jab at the left wing in America is totally ridiculous though.

Much of the Nazi platform was actually quite admirable – and leftist. In fact, it was the dichotomy of the Nazi ideals versus actual Nazi policy which brought about the Night of Long Knives. Ernst Roehm and the SA were old-school leftists and street-brawlers. It was the stated Nazi policies of eliminating all unearned wealth and nationalizing the corporations which bought Roehm’s support as the enforcement arm of the Nazi Party. When the Nazis came to power, Roehm pushed Hitler with increasing impatience to follow through on his promises. Hitler, of course, had no intention ot nationalizing the corporations, since he needed their help to build his war machine. In the end, Hitler was convinced by the German Army to have Roehm and the rest of the leadership of the SA executed and absorb the SA into the German armed forces (which was a bit like having the mouse absorb a roomful of cats, since the SA had ten times the numbers of the Wehrmacht).

So yes, in a sense it’s true, the Nazis were theoretically leftists, and they were certainly collectivists. Fascism can fall to both left and right of political centre the same way anarchism – its diamentric opposite – can fall to both left and right.

It was my understanding they hated each other (or at least Hitler hated Stalin). I believe Hitler had no intention of honoring the pact. Both countries needed to buy time (for different reasons) and that is what the pact gave them.

I wonder if Rush thinks the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has links to the Republican Party; I mean, they both have Republic in their names, there has to be something going on there…

Limbaugh: "Hitler, Lenin, Stalin were all men of the left"
This is about the level of sophistication I’d expect from a drug addled college dropout like Limbaugh.

For the record, here is the official platform of the Nazi Party. Pay particular attention to the statement, “The Common Good before the individual good.” This is the very definition of collectivism. On paper, the Nazi Party is certainly a leftist organization.

[ul]We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

[li]We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.[/li]
[li]We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.[/li]
[li]Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.[/li]
[li]Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.[/li]
[li]The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.[/li]
[li]We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.[/li]
[li]Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.[/li]
[li]All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.[/li]
[li]The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:[/li]
[li]Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.[/li]
[li]In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.[/li]
[li]We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).[/li]
[li]We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.[/li]
[li]We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.[/li]
[li]We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.[/li]
[li]We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.[/li]
[li]We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.[/li]
[li]We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.[/li]
[li]The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.[/li]
[li]The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.[/li]
[li]We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.[/li]
[li]We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.[/li]
[li]We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The Common Good before the individual good.[/li]
For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.[/ul]

When you get right down to it, they WERE similiar, in that they were both hideous tyrants – and really, I wouldn’t give a shit which one I lived under – I’d just want to get out as quickly as possible. (In that both were just as cruel)

From George Orwell’s The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius (1941):

Past a certain point, the distinction between left and right becomes meaningless. That’s why political scientists has devised so many different scales for delineating political stance. Go back and read the excellent series of “Political Compass” threads SentientMeat ran in GD.

Given Nazi attacks on the Communists inside Germany, do you think this “chumminess” came from anything real or from Hitler’s desire to avoid two-front war? You’d also have to explain why the chumminess vanished in 1941.

Hey, you know who else was a man of the Left? Chairman Mao, that’s who. Why’s Rush leaving him out, eh?

He’s disoriented.

On paper means nothing. Actions speak louder than words.

I think concentration camp victims were told they were going for a shower and delousing. Didn’t make it so.