Wow, yet another thread where adaher fucks something up. He’s the world’s only broken clock that is also incapable of being right twice a day.
I swear, if he ever says that the sun is bright today, I will know for certain that it isn’t because of the sun; it would be obvious that the light is caused by thermonuclear weapons going off to annouce the beginning of WWIII.
Apparently they have their own issues with preserving email evidence:
Judge Orders NSA To Stop Destroying Evidence — For The Third Time
That’s how government works. When it’s not incompetent, it’s corrupt.
Mussolini made the trains run on time. Americans can take care of themselves, incompetence in government preserves this.
Well, I certainly hope that the IRS doesn’t get disbanded. I’ve been working there 4 years, and I took the job largely for the sake of security. I really don’t want to have to look for another job again at my age.
I tell you what… How about you tell me were you work, and we’ll see how squeaky clean they are.
You’ve become quite the little bureaucrat in your four years.
How about this? It doesn’t matter what everyone else is doing. You just worry about yourself and fix your shit. We, on the other hand, get to worry about you because you work for us.
Holy moley, adaher fucks up a pitting of the IRS. When faced with a barn sized target, adaher shoots the propane tanks.
My take is that it’s appropriate for SEC mandated audits of a company to be kept for 7 years. Sheesh, I’d go for 10. But for routine emails, I wouldn’t be shocked if the 2011 ones were missing. The problem is that I hold the IRS to a higher standard. So yeah, this looks like a screw up, possibly mischievous.
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[INDENT] Q: The policy states that the default hold period for email is six months, but other types of documents can be held for up to two years. Why is there a distinction between email and other documents?
A: The bottom line is that most of the data that comes into a company now is on email. So the vast amount of data that we have is electronic data, which also means that the greatest amount of waste is probably going to be on electronic data.
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We tried to make the distinction so that it would be easier for people to follow the rules with regard to email, but we also wanted to make sure that emails were being purged and cleaned out appropriately because that’s the data that we tend to keep around and the majority of the data is noncritical data. So that’s why email is a little trickier than hardcopy documents, and that may not have been the case years ago. [/INDENT] I added emphasis. The article also discusses litigation risk.
And I’m more than a little dubious about the storage space figleaf.
The part that I find possibly suspicious is the timeline. The investigation began in 2012. The IRS is reporting the emails were deleted back in 2011. But they’re reporting this in 2014.
So while I’m not going to assume guilt like some people have, I would seek verification that these emails are lost and that their loss occurred back in 2011 rather than more recently.
Wow.
Hey, guys? That wasn’t the only idiotic thing he said. People seem to be giving this a pass for some reason:
For really really really vague definitions of the words “prove” and “basic”, I suppose.
“They lost some emails, so who needs roads to drive on or someone to answer the phone when I dial 911”
Yes, I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the IRS but this is the first time I’ve seen anyone claim they don’t know how to take money.
Oh please, like this is the first time the IRS has been implicated in naughtiness. We need a Church Committee-type deal to rein in their powers like we did with the CIA.
Oh, ho! ZING!! What a brilliant comeback! You sure showed all those legions of Dopers who were posting here arguing that this actually WAS the first time the IRS has been implicated in naughtiness! What amazing bravery and zeal you have shown in taking on all of those, uh, zero Dopers at once!!
Then we all agree that we need a Church-style commission, right?
If we had a Church-style commission for everything you Republicans want a Church-style commission for (although only since January 2009…odd, that…), nobody in the government would be doing anything else.
There is literally no logical connection between your premise and your conclusion, and you completely dodged my point rather than addressing it.
That may or may not be the case. But it doesn’t make unimportant the question regarding this instance. Your thoughts?
Are emails so expensive to store? I’m assuming it must be much costlier than I would imagine based on the cost to maintain my own data.