I really don’t want to prolong the diversion. But I agree with this and it is worth stressing, how a group of people might perceive a word or a comment is indeed irrelevant.
The thing that really matters is what the person using the word intended it to mean. In this case with American usage then I’d imagine it has misogynistic intent. The same words uttered by someone else (e.g. UK) would not carry the same weight nor necessarily even the same meaning.
Agreed, and hopefully I can end this tangent.
I asked the question of whether the word “cunt” was the misogynist word in the OP, as I had never heard it used that way. When it was clarified that in the US it is indeed often used in that way (which I had not known, as a Brit), I was satisfied with the answer and dropped it immediately.
The only dispute that followed, was because some asserted that obviously “cunt” is misogynist because it relates to a female body part. However, several posters pointed out that this logic doesn’t follow as 1) As already mentioned, not everywhere considers “cunt” misogynist and 2) There are other slang terms, including insults, for male or female body parts, which are not intrinsically misogynist or misandrist.
And you’re a piece of shit that came here to criticize others and not help. We need every person with a gun to be licensed for the use and type of gun? How do you plan to help with that? Are you going to propose we go out and confiscate guns from people which any idiot knows will never happen? Or are you just going to keep feeding people like the OP your bullshit to go and ridicule you with? Get the fuck out of here if you can’t help. I’ve been on the right side of this all my life you stupid fuckwit. I want to find a way to end the danger guns create through the law. Your dumb fuck approach of shouting after every catastrophe and then doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Are you politically active or do you just yell at the TV because you won’t get off your ass? I know the answers to these questions. You and the scum like you who feed the elections into the hands of the gun nuts and GOP have done nothing. LOOK AT THE FUCKING STATE OF AFFAIRS. THAT’S THE FAILURE OF FUCKWITS LIKE YOU TO ACT IN ANY EFFECTIVE WAY. IF YOU CAN"T COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW THEN SHUT UP AND GET OUT OF THE WAY.
I’m not done yet shit-for-brains. How do you propose to do anything about the guns loose in our society already because of people like you. Nothing, nothing effective has been done to even reduce the problem by one iota. Who have you supported for congress, ever spring for some money to campaign against the people who allow this? Who have you supported at all who could do something about this? The answers are obvious, you come to this garbage dump called the Pit to hurl accusations against people who have been fighting this fight their whole lives. It was 50 fucking years ago that I got tear gassed and locked up for simply standing up publicly against the GOP and their fascist agenda. If you were there I’m sure you were one of the people that ran away in the face of any adversity just as you’ll do when your not running your ass about the subject. I have no doubt at election time you don’t bother to show up or if you do vote your own personal pocketbook, if you even have one worth mentioning.
I may have the advantage of living in this absurdly small state so that I have personal contact with my congressman and both senators but that’s no excuse for not being politically active and supporting people who will do something about the problem. I’d love to take the guns out of the hands or every civilian in this country, not to mention some people not even considered civilians. But if you don’t support practical approaches to the problem you ought to shut up and get out of the way also. The 2nd amendment will not be changed now or in the foreseeable future. Every new murder spree brings out the ‘ban guns’ crowd and give the asshole gun nuts more motivation to scream “they’re taking our guns away” and tomorrow there will be even fewer gun controls as a result.
Why’d you cut off the rest of my sentence? I emphasized the local levels. How the hell could you do real background checks before computer databases existed? Dishonest.
Of course you avoided my point. Back then, gun owners and the NRA would likely have worked with lawmakers to craft new gun laws as needed. Now certain people blame old ladies. Or they suddenly become concerned about mental health issues after they had no problem with slashing mental health funds.
Not good at math, huh? Don’t worry, some people just aren’t. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad person or anything.
To help you
2 AR15 rifles:…$2520*
1600 Rounds…$1000*
60 Mags: … … .$1000*
Total… … … …$4520
Throw in a pistol for $300 and you’re still below $5000. You could add a third AR and keep it under your $7000.
*I am assuming both the AR15 rifles cost the same. I wouldn’t be surprised if the other one was less. I doubt it would have been more. For the ammo, the $1000 would get you nearly 1700 rounds at $0.60 each. The magazines, I don’t know, I’m guessing at $1000. I saw a figure of $1200 posted in this thread (which is $20 each). I see them online for $10 - $15, so the $1000 price is probably high. That’s all new retail. For an 18 YO kid who doesn’t know what he is doing, the owner could easily sweeten the deal by offering a discount in order to move the merchandise.
As to why it matters, understanding how this kid was able to amass such an arsenal so soon after it became legal for him to do so is important to finding out how to spot such behavior in the future. The media doesn’t help by obfuscating the issue by inflating the costs.
It is said that the shooter got the money from working part-time at a fast-food joint, a job he was reported to have held for 3 months. Well, twelve weeks of 32 hours at $10/hr (I believe they going rate for unskilled teenage part-time workers) only grosses $3840 and if he was working that much, he would likely have spent some of it, perhaps half.
What this means is that if the $10,000 cost is reasonable, then the shooter must have had help to purchase them, and we should probably look into where that help came from. If, however, the cost is closer to $4000 (perhaps less if they were used pieces) then perhaps not.
This. The right keeps bringing up mental health, but does the US really have that many more mental health issues than the entire rest of the world?
Fully auto machine guns (NFA weapons) are legal in many states, TX included. It is odd that they aren’t used in more mass killings. Wonder why that is? Oh yeah, more regulation and more money to buy. Easier to buy the less expensive and less regulated mass murdering little brothers.
Well we seem to, but that’s because we are the only country that arms the mentally ill.
Also doesn’t adequately fund treatment for mental illness.
And also pushes conspiracy theories. You don’t have to be mentally ill to believe in conspiracy theories, but certain illnesses like schizophrenia make a person more likely to believe in such things. So it is important that a culture emphasizes skepticism and rationality, and not have a #1 cable “news” show that instead pushes such theories and radicalizes people on a daily basis.
Misgendering Abbott like that is rude.
Well, the “Tommy Gun” and the German sub-machine guns were more properly called machine pistols and fired low-power pistol rounds and had an effective range of about 150 yards. The “Assault Weapon” AR-15, AK-57, etc… types are rifles. They fire high-powered rifle rounds which are generally heavier, have a much higher velocity, and an effective range of around 400-500 yards.
These “Assault Weapons” are a refinement of the semi-automatic rifles (such as the M1 Garand and M14) that the US military used in WWII and Korea. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16 Rifle that began seeing use in Vietnam in 1965.
The term “AR-15” is a trademark of Colt Manufacturing, which is why the media refers to these weapons as “AR15 style” since they get tired of the nasty letters from Colt when they don’t. Most of Colt’s patents on the AR-15 ran out in 1977, which is why there are so many knock-off copies have hit the market in recent years.
So, while you are correct that automatic and semi-automatic firearms have been around for over a hundred years, the proliferation of the “AR-15 style” is really quite recent. Add to this the growth of the authoritarian right-wing political groups and the increase of mass shootings is not really a mystery. It’s also not much of a stretch to realize that it will only increase until a solution is found.
Extreme firearm violence flared-up in the early 1930s where gangsters used Tommy Guns to deal with “their territory” in trying to control bootleggers. I suspect the solution here will be similar (ie, end prohibition on recreational drugs and curtail gun ownership rights). The only question is how long is it going to take for us to do it.
Hey let’s not jump to any conclusions here. There are lots of legitimate reasons he could want to buy an giant arsenal. Maybe he was going to get a few friends together to form a well regulated militia and overthrow the tyranical illegitimate Biden regime. Nothing wrong with that.
This. I don’t think we have more mentally ill people than other countries, it’s just that we neglect them until they eventually reach a crisis and end up harming themselves or others.
And it’s super fucking easy to buy weapons of mass destruction in the US.
Interesting.
When I suggested that in a thread about the homeless I was told it would be prohibitory expensive.
What exactly were you suggesting, and how were you proposing it be paid for? Got a link to the thread?
As I mentioned in a concurrent thread, I think these discussions about solving the gun violence problem, in order to be genuinely productive, are going to have to push back against vague lazy endorsements of “better funding for mental health” on the part of people whose only serious purpose in making them is to deflect attention away from gun regulation proposals. “Focus on mental health” is the new “thoughts and prayers” buzzword among gun-control opponents.
If you don’t think we need stricter gun regulation to address our gun violence problem, and you think the necessary improvements can be effected solely with a better social safety net for mental health problems, then okay, exactly what are you proposing and what resources will it take?
“Someone, somewhere, in a completely different context, once told me a different thing,” is, in fact, about the least interesting thing you could have posted there. It’s literally a completely useless response, that adds no information, provides no insight, and moves the conversation not a single inch. You could have provided a response that’s every bit as interesting and relevant to the discussion by rubbing your face on your keyboard.
Link please.
One solution I think is pretty fucking feasible is an end run around the 2A nuts–so, okay, you can keep and bear as many goddamned arms as you like, however you do NOT have unfettered access to ammo. Every sale of ammo needs to be tracked and every round microstamped with a unique identifier that gets pegged to the buyer. Blockchain, BTW, would work splendidly in this instance. You buy the ammo and you are personally responsible for everything that happens to it. Someone steals your ammo? Better report it to the cops immediately because if it ends up in some poor bastard’s nugget you’re going to get hung out as an accessory. Already bought a hunnert rounds this month? Tough shit, no more for you for a while. Bring back ALL the spent casings from the last batch and you can buy more. This will aid in recycling too, always a nice touch.
And before the usual suspect comes in with “BuT WhAT aBOuT ReLOaDeRs HUh?” Fine, nothing’s perfect. Somebody wants to go to THAT much trouble, let them. When they get caught with unregistered ammo they can get prosecuted for THAT too on top of whatever else got them arrested. Make possession of unstamped unregulated ammo a guaranteed extra ten year’s sentence, let’s see how much of a deterrent that is.
Actually I also suggested it in this thread as well.
There must be a sociological reason that such travesties are occurring at the frequency they are when they could have at any time in the last one hundred years.