I pit the racist radio jockeys of Power 99 FM

Who? What? Hunh?

Erunh? Can we please keep this to what I’m talking about?

No… This is what I said then. And I’ve not changed what I’m saying.

They obviously do not have the same scope, as one defines a tranasction in space/time and another attempts to designate the identity of a human being who is most certainly not dead yet.

Just because people are subjective does not mean some of them aren’t wrong. No matter what any book of prescriptive grammar says, or how many people agree…

Now, finally, would you like to discuss how people can have racist actions and not be racists, or should I just give up? I understand some guy who wrote a book thinks one thing, and that varius Yahoos think another thing, but I’m trying to talk with you about this. Care to comment?

I’m sorry. I don’t recognise the inconsistency. They associate Indians with poverty. They know she’s Indian from her accent. They call her a filthy rat eater.

I don’t know why you’re bringing skin colour into this. Race is not just based on skin colour. I think you’re nitpicking; no-one is really a member of only one “race” anyway.

You know if you all are concerned that a person’s off-the-cuff two sentence post is hijacking the thread, maybe you shouldn’t post lengthy multi-paragraph analyses and denuciations of the off-the-cuff two sentence post.

Just a thought. :slight_smile:

Sorry about your thread maleinblack. Yeah, those guys are assholes.

“Alleged dictionary”? Well, that’s what the cover says, but I admit I never considered the possibility that it could be just a clever disguise. Tell you what,** Liberal**: if there’s anybody who thinks you have enough credibility left to warrant taking the trouble, they can read my posts (#61 and #64) and decide for themselves if anybody’s lying about anything.

This is wrong twice: I didn’t say that, and it wouldn’t be true if I had. Since any Caucasian has skin, a nationality, language, etc., it’s certainly possible for them to experience racism on one or more grounds.

The most troubling thing about this, actually, is not the fact that it’s doubly untrue – I’m becoming used to that. The troubling thing is that with no justification you’ve dragged in a stock accusation that is an absolute favorite of the National Association for the Advancement of White People and certain other groups, who like its implication that efforts to protect people from racist acts somehow discriminate against* them*. Some of these groups contain some fairly nasty people. I think you should drop this line (it’s untrue anyhow), if only to avoid the taint of association with them.

Regarding differences in defining racist(adj.) vs. racist(noun), I’d think you had seen enough counter-examples by now to question your interpretation. I’ll try one more: “doctor” as a verb means to try to cure, fix, or tamper with, or adulterate something; “doctor” as a noun means someone with an M.D., Ph.D., or the equivalent. You see how the word we apply to people is much more restrictive than the one applied to actions. Aronoff is not a grammarian, exactly: his field is morphology, a process by which new words are formed. As such, he has little to say about how the meanings of words may evolve once they are born. If he (or anyone else)* did * try to prescribe rules like that, I doubt he’d have much luck. And there are still all the non-lexical reasons to restrict the use of the label as much as possible.

The issue of the things people do vs. the labels we give them reminds me of a joke:

A bartender says to his customer, “You look down in the dumps. What’s wrong?” His customer replies:“You know, once I wrote a book, but does anyone call me Joe the Novelist? No. Once I gave a speech; does anyone call me Joe the Orator? No. Once I won a chess tournament; does anyone call me Joe the Chess Champion? No…BUT…fuck JUST ONE goat…”

A respectful nod to Larry Borgia: You’re absolutely right. I tried to address something I thought was a problem and only ended up becoming a part of it. I know better now. Anyway, I’ve said my piece. Someone else can have the last word.

The fact that they are black has nothing to do with it.

Yes they are equal opportunity assholes. I know many of you have no idea who these guys are, but they live to offend people. Complaining that they are racist is like complaining that water is wet. They do anything to demean, insult, and piss people off. They used to be on Hot 97, the biggest rap station in NY. They were/are very popular with the types of people that listen to Howard Stern, and Opie & Anthony. The reason why they aren’t on Hot 97 anymore is because they were fired for making fun of Aaliyah’s (the dead R&B singer’s) plane crash. On the days following the crash, they played noises of a plane crashing and a women screaming. These guys are scum and are not worth getting mad over. The thing that is sad is that their show has an audience that rivals Howard Stern.

King of Soup

What race was the woman from India?

Must’ve missed my post. Hmm, maybe I should type in purple. Seemed to work for the grapist. :stuck_out_tongue:

Let’s see if we can find a clue somewhere.

from the linked cite

or the dj…

Hm, I have no idea. Could somebody give me a hint please?

Yes yes, I know the nit you’re picking is of an anthropological bent, but somehow I’m doubting that the djs in question are trained anthropologists. If you are still looking for a more qualified answer, I suggest you email maleinblack or The Times of India. They could probably answer you better than we could.
I’d still like to know where the left fits in…

No one can give you a hint because no one knows what the race of the woman in India was. It is like Kramer saying someone is an antidentite without knowing the occupation of the person they’ve ridiculed.

As I’ve already said, this is something you’ve done to yourselves. Of all the things you could be fighting for (as you did many many years ago) — individual liberty, civil disobedience, property rights, etc. — you have taken up causes formerly championed by the right — minding other people’s business, controlling people’s speech, seizing their property by force, etc. And as I said before, you’ve done to words like “racism” what the right is doing to words like “freedom”.

No it’s not Liberal. The DJ had an image or tried to project an image whether right or wrong of the what the ‘race’ of a person of india looks like and it wasn’t white. If it was white, they wouldn’t have asked if they knew anything about “white” girls hair.

They’re the ones who created the perception of difference between the whiteness of their American girl and the non-whiteness, whether real or not of the Indian caller. You’re right, no one knows what the “race” of the operator was, I say it’s irrevelant because the DJ’s created the preception that she wasn’t a member of the white race and that’s enough.

The DJ’s “humor” is based on the lowest demoniator, who I doubt understand or even care whether or not the “left” believes in race or not or whether the term racism has been weakened.

India for the them is a country full of poor brown people, not Asian and certainly not a member of the “white” race.

So to answer your question as to what was she was, she wasn’t considered white; at least not by the DJs.

I’m flattered that you think I’ve lead such an interesting life, but you’re mistaken. I’m as left as Brutus and as right as Reeder. You sir, are a weenie of the highest order. :mad: Though I’m not sure if that’s Oscar Meyer or Ball Park. Don’t suppose your name is Frank?

Allow me to advance a theory on the point that you are trying to make Liberal. This incedent is more bigoted than racist, and is only being called racist because the left has watered the term down to a near meaningless state. Am I correct, and if I am, do I get a cookie?