I pit the stupid housewife study

You know the one I mean. The one that says that a stay at home mom works 92 hours a week and ought be making 140 grand a year.

I get their point: stay at home mothers (and mothers in general) are underappreciated. For the most part, I even agree with them. Guys who like to crow about how they’re the “breadwinner” while their wife is at home cooking, cleaning, raising the kids, etc. are complete jackassess. But instead of making the point honestly, these so-called researchers have concocted an absolutely ludicrous measure of a mother’s worth.

Basically, they come up with every job a mom does in a day, find out how much it would cost you to pay a servant to do that job, and then add up the result and call it the “salary” the mother’s work is worth. Surely they must expect people to look at this salary in comparison to actual salaries that people make. But no one gets paid for every chore they do around the house. Do I get paid whenever I clean the bathroom, vacuum the living room, take out the trash, walk the dogs, or drive myself to work? Hell no! My point is, everyone’s salary and number of hours worked would be vastly inflated if you counted every random chore they do as part of their work week. Yet rather than computing the total number of hours the average person spends on all forms of “work” (which I imagine would still have the stay-at-home mom towards the high end) they go for broke and toss out a figure like $140,000 as if it’s even remotely reasonable to compare that number to what you or I get paid by our employers. It’s not.

Then there’s the matter of the choice of jobs they attribute to the mother:
housekeeper, day-care center teacher, cook, computer operator, laundry machine operator, janitor, facilities manager, van driver, chief executive officer and psychologist.

Please, you’re getting a CEO’s salary for what, running your home? That’s the same as running a corporation? I’m not saying CEO’s deserve their typically-bloated salaries, but there are economic reasons why they’re able to get people to pay them – reasons which don’t factor in when it comes to being a mother. For starters there are a lot more people with experience being a mom than experience running a company. Golly, I wonder what the “researchers” motive was in including such a high paid job in their calculations.

Likewise, are you a psychologist because you talk to your kids about their problems? Get a clue. Psychologists (like many of the other careers on that list) have specialized training. Part of why they make the money they do is because of their degree. Just because you’re able to counsel your own kids doesn’t mean you have the qualifications to be a psychologist.

If the “researchers” wanted to be honest, they could have just looked up the average salaries of the jobs most comparable to being a stay-at-home mom. Like, say, being a live-in nanny. Anyone want to bet that the average live-in nanny makes 140 grand a year?

Instead of doing a realistic assessment of the no-doubt substantial amount of work the average mother does in a week, these “researchers” seem to have gone out of their way to inflate the mother’s monetary worth. (As if how much a person gets paid in any way correlates to the importance of their job, anyway. :rolleyes: ) Anyone who’d sacrifice honest reporting of the unbiased truth for the sake of their agenda doesn’t deserve to call themselves a researcher. Shame on them, and shame on the media for uncritically reporting this kind of junk research.

Oh, look, I just spent 10 minutes typing up a rant. I’d like a 6th of a secretary’s hourly wage now, please.

I agree with this. These kinds of studies always come across to me as patronizing. If it were a real comparison and every stay at home mom was really the equivalent of all these professions, she should in theory be able to decide at any time in her life to go to work full time as one of those things and expect to earn that much working full time? Right.

I know as well as anyone how much work moms do. I work part time and I would have a hard time choosing which are my easier days, my days at home or my days at work. It changes depending on what’s going on. I think these kinds of articles are supposed to give stay at home moms validation, and I appreciate the thought. But it’s so over the top that no one really takes them seriously. “Of course you should be making $100,000 a year honey!” Pat, pat. Just because you are doing certain tasks around the house and for your family does not mean you are doing them on the same level and with the same outcome than if you hired a professional to do them. I would hope a pro chauffer would have better driving credentials than I do, a professional chef sure as hell can cook better than me! My day care provider has training and a license, etc.

I know one that is getting every penny of my salary.

Yeah, it seems they like to run that dead story every year around mother’s day.

Why don’t they figure out how much the working husband should be paid also for the services he provides. Year round groundskeeper, home financial specialist and accountant, wife’s psychologist, household handyman that works nights and weekends (plumber, electrician, etc.), travel agent, body guard, etc. etc.

If they wanted that “study” to be more realistic, they should add up the cost of hiring a cook/housekeeper and paying for childcare/nanny/babysitter/whatever-is-appropriate-for-your-children’s-ages. Because those are the two services that you’d pay for if the stay-at-home parent died… and most people wouldn’t pay for a cook/housekeeper.

I agree, it’s just a load of patronizing bullshit. If someone is so stupid to fail to realize how very much it would cost in actual dollars and aggravation to replace the labor of a stay-at-home parent and homemaker, then any number of overstatements like this study aren’t going to drive the point, er, home.

And they always leave off the equivalent salary a whore make for the same amount of fucking.

“Patronizing” is exactly the word I think of when I read those studies. Likewise those stupid “Mr. Mom” shows and songs, with the guy ‘having’ to do the stay-at-home wife’s work for a while and dicking it up because it’s all so difficult. And also the guys (and women, too) who I run into from time to time who, when finding out that I’m a housewife, say, “Oh, I could never do your job…” Patronizing.

Look. I’ve been a housewife for over 20 years. I raised 2 kids – often, as a Navy wife, as the solo parent on the ground. My house was almost always tidy and organized; our bills and errands and laundry were nearly always up-to-date; our cupboards were usually stocked and dinner was generally tasty and on-time. I certainly feel that my job was valuable, and my family benefited from my ability (and willingness) to take on all those little jobs. But, please… let’s keep some perspective here. It ain’t exactly rocket science.

I hate these studies, too. I once ranted that SAHMs were marginalized and I think they are - in my experience, most frequently by other women. However, there’s no way to truly quantify any parent’s (or partner’s, for that matter) contribution to the home or society. I think we all know that good parenting is very important and it’s often a thankless job.

Although I’m working full time now, I wonder how much I’m owed for my maternity leave? About $35,000 should do it. I’ll take that in cash, thanks. :dubious:

It’s a stupid story, but you have to consider it in context - there are a bunch of firms that put out studies like this. They do it for the PR value because they know news outlets will think it’s cute and readers will think it’s interesting, not because they think the numbers mean anything.

None of which is intended as a defense, of course. I’m just saying it’s not meant to be science, it’s entertainment.

I see what you mean about the patronization, but the bottom line is, I can’t do that. My house is never tidy and organized. Bills, errands and laundry are rarely or never up to date. I am always running out of things I need. Dinner is usually tasty, but rarely on time, because I have to clamber my way through the bomb site of a kitchen left the previous night when I cook. That or it is oatmeal.

It isn’t just the hours I work, though that contributes. Even staying at home I couldn’t do it because it would drive me crazy/to the point of drink. Sportscenter or the History channel would always seem more appealing than any type of domestic work.

Why yes, now you ask, I am divorced.

tim314, you’ve got a point, but still – is there anyone out there who takes that figure at face value? Most people would read that study for the fluff it is, no? Seeing that average annual wage is under $40,000 and all.

Yeah, I dislike it too. I was just complaining to DangerDad last night about it. It’s demeaning and patronizing, and unrealistic, and I don’t think it convinces anyone to admire homemakers more. I know that my job has dignity and worth and meaning etc., and that’s pretty much all I need.

Of course, I also hate Mother’s Day. So probably I’m just an anti-social crank. :smiley:

Darn. I thought it was going to be a study on stupid housewives.

No, no. It’s a study by stupid housewives. You know, where they discover that 4 out of 5 of them prefer the taste of Jif, or the scent of Pledge or whatever?

Dude, you must not be married…it’s not included because the amount of salary garnered for that amount of fucking would be…negligible. Or certainly below the IRS minimum reportable amounts…

Damn, being married must suck.

though obviously not literally

So, does that mean that househusbands would make $179,344?

Disclaimer: This is a joke.

At $50 per pop with a reasonably clean crackwhore, that would be… $300 per year.

Ok, I’m finding this wage for fucking thing interesting. It really should be factored into the equation, since it’s part of the wifely duties.

A quick look at the price for a clean, pretty, high-class escort is about $2000 for an overnight stay. Since I stay overnight with my husband every night, I could command a $730,000 yearly salary. Of course, since I’m only willing to do about 75% of her list of talents, I’d be willing to take $547,500.

Looking further, perhaps it’s not fair to charge on a yearly scale, maybe it would be better to go ala carte. Her rate for one hour is about $500. Again, she will do more than me, so I’ll bargain down to $375. We have only been married about two years, so I’d say we get down about 2 times a week. Each occurrence lasts from 15 to 45 minutes depending. Her lowest increment is 1 hour, so charging for each call would be $39,000 in a year. If we allowed smaller increments of time, perhaps only $19,500.

This is no chump change! Granted, the housewives in the study may not be able to command such a high price, maybe they’ve had a few kids and let things get saggy, maybe they don’t do oral, or like getting tied up, but I still think this should be factored into the yearly housewife’s salary.

Then again, if they did have kids, I wonder how much that would cost. I need to look into prices for surrogate mothers and healthy, white babies…

I’m mildly curious as to why you divided her talents into quarters rather than thirds, but perhaps I don’t want to know. :stuck_out_tongue: