Bush never used the Crusades as an excuse for Islamic terrorism as Obama did recently. He also never dishonored Israel like Obama did. Nor did he apologize for America.
Your entire post is some of the most lovely bullshit that has ever been written on the SDMB, but the misinformed and most likely racist part that I helpfully bolded is what really makes your screed stand out amongst its peers; kudos. I’m trying to be as charitable as possible in reviewing what you wrote, lest I inadvertently transgress the bounds of appropriate decorum for the Elections forum.
Dishonored Israel? Gimme a break. I’d love to see how it would go over if Obama just showed up in Israel to give a speech denouncing their leader’s policies.
Thank you, funky little lee for offering a similar perspective to what I see and hear from members of my own union, from Teamsters, from IBEW, from LIUNA and SEIU members, etc. everyday and that I wrote of and quoted myself on in the OP.
For a while there, I thought LSLGuy was the only other person who paid attention to the seemingly rarefied levels that I move in (and I didn’t even realize you were a fellow union member, LSLGuy).
ISTM that the article has been edited since I first linked to it. Because the hyper-linked words in my prior post, “What Bernie Sanders still doesn’t get about interrupting Hillary Clinton”, were C&P’d directly from the WP article headline, but I see now that “interupting” has been changed to “arguing with”. I don’t know if anything else has been changed.
Leaving that aside, your summary is not accurate. The article does not state that Sanders did this “multiple times in the debate” as you claim. It said he had “said and done a few things in previous debates that people have described as chauvinistic” (emphasis mine), and suggested that Clinton may have deliberately interupted him in order to provoke this reaction. (It’s a bit unclear what those things are or whether those people’s decriptions are any more valid then than they are now.)
It sounds from this like you agree with my point, then. But I doubt if you really do - most likely you just didn’t appreciate the implications of your words when you wrote this.
That other article may or may not be valid, but it’s not the same thing in any event. None of the supposed rules for women involve how they treat their male opponents, as the rules for men dealing with women do.
Obama never did any of those things.
Too bad you’re just as much talking about Trump here. It took me a bit ot figure out what he was saying that appeals to the working class. But then I realized what it is: his protectionism.
But protectionism is a huge swindle. It doesn’t help the working class. Companies aren’t going to magically spend more money and hire more local people. Plus there is absolutely no way that Trump could get such a proposal through Congress.
Not that this argument makes much sense. The far left: that’s the people who try to help the working class. Working class is another name for the working poor. They’re the ones pretty much all government welfare programs are designed for. And they’re the ones that are most trampled upon by the 1%.
Trump is an authoritarian. Picking him means being trampled by the guy who thinks he’s better than you. When has an authoritarian ever been known to help out the poor? Why would someone who thinks his money proves he’s better than you give a shit about your concerns?
The airline industry is heavily unionized. Most pilots’ and flight attendants’ unions are fairly office-workery, more like a government union than an industrial union. At the same time most pilots understand we’re high-tech heavy equipment operators, like overgrown crane drivers or tugboat pilots.
Over the years I’ve worked with lots of IAM, Teamsters, & TWU. Definitely a deeply dyed shade of blue in those collars. Both on the shop floor and at union HQ.
Whatever you do, don’t get on the wrong side of a flight attendant union. 15000 or 30000 angry women with an all female leadership and no men to calm them down. They can be radical like nothing the UAW or UMW ever thought of. If the DoD had any brains we’d be deploying all-female combat units. The enemy wouldn’t stand a chance once they got pissed. 
FWIW, I looked through some of the comments on that article on the WP site, and a good percentage if not most had the same reaction that I did (and some explicitly referenced the original title as I posted it here). So I suspect that the article was edited somewhat in response to the criticism.
On the Muslim thing, he is open to criticism because he said Muslim immigration should be temporarily stopped.
The other three are far from anything Trump has said. They’re just some things progressives think Republicans believe, projected onto Trump.
Regarding jobs going overseas, he’s been explicitly against outsourcing during this campaign, to the point that he’s being criticized for having flip-flopped from a (rather evenhanded) 2005 statement that outsourcing is not always bad.
My original list of Big Lies was nonpartisan. There were two GOP-type lies and two Democrat-type ones, although often both parties lie about the same thing in the same way, like immigration. Here are a couple more:
The biggest one of all: Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and was somehow involved in 9/11. The GOP cooked that one up, but many Democrats pushed it as well. Then there’s a more recent one, that there is a rape epidemic at America’s universities, even the extremely liberal ones.
So here’s my question to you and the others you quote: does it literally not matter to them what policies Trump espouses? Or do they believe that absolutely nothing he can do in office “[can] be worse”? I mean, obviously, they most likely dismiss the idea that he’ll start World War 3, but do the Hispanic union members agree, for example?
No. it’s not his protectionism that the working class people I know like about him.
As I’ve said before, and as funky little lee just said above, what people like about him is that he is seen as the only way to say “fuck you” to a system and the people who make up that system that they feel isn’t working for them. As in: the employees (elected officials & bureaucrats both) are not working in their interests and as in: the system serves others who’s interest is diametrically opposed to the working class but is paid for by the blood, sweat and taxes of the working class. They feel that they are paying to cause their own suffering and they are tired of it being that way. They see the entirety of it as fucked up and want to tear it down and voting for Trump would not only send that message, they hope it will have that effect.
I feel that this is important, that the segment of the population that doesn’t understand the way these people feel and think needs to or else America is going to be in for a rough ride and we prolly won’t like where the ride ends.
No, it really doesn’t. He’s not running as a set of policies, but as a set of attitudes. His roused-rabble supporters aren’t for anything other than Taking Our Country Back - from a “them” he’s ready to name in whatever situation.
The Hitler comparisons are trite, so let’s go with Boulanger, “The Man on a Horse”,instead.
The policies don’t matter as much as the positions, IMO. People hate illegal immigrants so the fact that he is echoing that hate is important, not what he says he will do about it. People hate paying 10x as much for prescription drugs as any other country does, so they like that Trump talks about it and says it sucks; his plan to “negotiate real good” isn’t as important to them as the fact that he says it sucks and something should be done.
Most of the people I hear know that a Trump presidency would be disastrous for the country as a whole; THEY DO NOT CARE. If the powers that be (rich folks, bankers, elected officials, bureaucrats, etc.) are only going to help themselves and not lift up the rest of the country then by God the working class will drag them all down; “the workers will not drown while others float thru life on our bloated corpses” is about the situation.
And yeah, I live in Las Vegas and I hear lots of Hispanic people talk about how they also can’t wait to vote for Trump in November.
Once again, the plural of anecdote is not data.
What you complaint essentially boils down to on the face of it is that Obama has encouraged Trump’s and Trump supporter’s bigotry by fighting bigotry. In some sense, I suppose that might be true. So, what is the solution, to be a big enough bigot that there is no room for Trump…Or, at least not fight bigotry?
Sorry…but I don’t buy your logic that people fighting bigotry are to blame for the bigots.
If only people were a little more tolerant of bigotry, the bigots wouldn’t feel so threatened?
I find that hard to believe.
Now, personally, I think it would be disgraceful for the United States to have such a bigoted national leader. However, it is possible that Congress, and the generals, and the bureaucracy, and the Fed, and the Supreme Court, and the World Trade Organization would find ways to limit his freedom of movement and thus prevent disaster. And I’m saying that as someone who is very much anti-Trump! I can’t think pro-Trump folks see there being more certainty of disaster than I do.
The biggest risk of disaster, given Trump’s statements, is war with China. And Xi Jinping, sadly, seems more and more reminiscent of Putin. But I still think Xi is competent enough to do what he can on his end to prevent said disaster.
Neither your pithy truism nor your cite refute anything I’ve said. I’m telling you what I hear from people I work with, people I work for, people I hear in stores and malls and walking around the park. ETA: Note that I said nothing about Trump being #1 with Hispanics, nor did I claim that most Hispanics support him. You are refuting straw men, GIGO.
Do you not hear these same types of things from people around you? If not, where are you? And are you listening?
This should scare both Democrats and Republicans:
1,000 Democrats defect to Republicans in one Ohio county
That’s just one county in Ohio - 14% of Democrats have switched their party affiliation to vote for Trump.
There are two possibilities: One is that Trump is reaching blue-collar Democrats in large numbers. The other is that these Democrats are switching simply to spoil the Republican primary and try to prevent moderate John Kasich from winning over lunatic Donald Trump, just because they think it will help them win in November.
If the former, then Donald Trump is quite likely to win the nomination - and equally likely to beat Hillary in November. If the latter, well, that’s pretty anti-democratic and despicable, especially given the threat the man they would be helping to the nomination would be to the country if he were actually elected. They’re taking a huge risk for the country just to help their candidate. They’d better hope that Trump doesn’t find the same kind of magic in the general that seems to be currently holding sway in the Republican party.
But 1,000 flips from Democrat to Republican in one county is a pretty big number. If that many are trying to help game the system, that’s some kind of serious organization. So it’s more likely that Trump is just an attractive candidate to those people.
As for the Democrats, they had better hope that this is strategic voting, or even that it’s Trump attracting blue collar workers, because if they’re not crossing over for Trump, they’re crossing over simply because they don’t like either candidate the Democrats have put up, or they don’t like the direction of the party.
Either way, it’s bad news.