I’m not. I was trying to understand it, and I asked a few different ways. When I asked what it was that I wasn’t understanding clearly, you said:
Which…cop out answer. I was legitimately trying to understand it, and you essentially accused me of being disingenuous on that point. Which I wasn’t. I mean, I am skeptical of the whole thing, for sure. But as far as trying to understand how people think it’s meant to work, that I really truly and sincerely want to know (going back to your “what is the internal logic” vs. “is it actually true and correct” dichotomy).
We all due respect, I do not believe that you are genuinely interested in understanding. I think you wish to debate it with me. I do not wish to debate with you. I come to this conclusion based on the things you have said in the way you have said them:
If you are genuinely interested in understanding, I think you would actually understand. Because you’re reasonably intelligent person. And the ideas are not complicated. You just disagree that they are valid, so you see them as nonsensical. And you are entitled. But I have no interest in convincing you otherwise.
So yes, the answer to your question is yes: I think you were trying to draw me into a debate I am not interested in having, and offering commentary.
Stoid,
Instead of addressing Sarahfeena’s question (re: parents getting what they expect, when their child dies of cancer), you say- that if she was “genuinely interested in understanding…”
you think that she “would actually understand…”, because you deem her to be “reasonably intelligent.”
That sounds arrogant.
Are you really accusing her of coming up with a ploy to draw you into a debate, that you “are not interested in having”?
Do you actually believe that Sarahfeena is willfully NOT understanding?
Or that she is purposely NOT trying hard enough, or sifting through your “boatload” of information well enough, to obtain the answer to her question?
Because this seems like a cop out, and it also assumes the worst about what is motivating Sarahfena’s question.
It would not kill you to just answer her question honestly, instead of pretending not to be in the mood to debate her.
Do you fear being judged? So what if people do not agree, you must be used to that by now.
Just be who you are, and say what you think, because all the subterfuge is making you look
like a crazy person.
Depends on what you consider the worst, I guess. I personally dont’ think it’s all that horrendous, just not something I’m interested in.
I did. She considered it babble. Ok. She then tells me the sites I linked to failed to make anything clearer to her. Ok.
That’s what I’ve got. I think it’s plenty, and if someone still doesn’t comprehend the way the law of attraction works after all that, then I’m fresh out of ideas. Oh well.
Not in this lifetime.
It’s like breathing.
I’m never anything else.
When I want to, nothing will stop me.
Since I don’t fear being judged, and I’m used to people not agreeing, why would I care if some people come to the very strange conclusion that declining to discuss what I personally believe or think (which is not subterfuge, by the way) makes me look crazy? I think other people are crazy for devoting so much energy to it. I think it would be crazy to let myself be bullied into a conversation I don’t have the slightest interest in having.
Annnnnnd there it is. Nice play of the victim card. My dear, you appear to be a shitstirrin strawman lovin drama queen who not only lacks insight and judgement but also seems to be driven by a delusional force wherein you fancy yourself to be all hippy dippy on top but are actually quite snarky underneath. At the fear of sounding hypocritical, I’m going to subscribe to the secret and ask the universe to send you a clue. And maybe some Meds.
Not just dumb hippies unfortunately, truly intelligent people convince themselves of this (and other) crap.
An ex-girlfriend of mine fell in with the yogi crowd years ago and spouts this shit. It absolutely infuriates me. It is inexcusably offensive. Yet she is a very intelligent person, well read, perceptive, high aptitudes in pretty much everything. She isn’t dumb, but she believes this insulting garbage. Heck, she was an engineer, studied and understood thermodynamics and yet last time I talked to her she seriously told me she was looking into water powered cars and that I should check out certain you tube videos. My own sister with a degree in zoology fer ogg’s sake is a young earth creationist. She openly told me about her struggle to overcome logic, reason, and her own knowledge to accept her faith.
The intellectual disconnect completely baffles me. I really do not understand.
Pssst: you really aren’t fooling anyone. Including yourself. Don’t believe me? Google “karpman drama triangle” because you rock that shit like nobody’s business. And let me save you the trouble of typing your potential replies for you:
“I am not replying anything! I am who I am and I will let you be you!”
“hey thanks for teaching me about google!”
“I thought this was an Internet forum and people can be free to speak their own truths!”
“you sure must be fascinated with me to give me all this attention–it’s so interesting, really!”
Oh what a surprise. Its all there: victim, rescuer, persecutor…drama queen.
Well thank you, but unfortunately the ability to spot it comes from entirely too much interaction. Like “I want to bang my head against the wall because it’s time I’ll never get back” interaction.
Really? I thought it was pretty self-evident: having had such intense and negative experiences with a certain type, you are on high alert for it, which leads to your seeing it everywhere you look. So coming up with such an elaborate diagnosis of who I am based on nothing but my choice to share information in this thread while refusing to discuss what I believe or don’t about the topic becomes clear. And unsurprisingly, it has pretty much nothing to do with me.
Yes. That’s it. You figured me out. Because personality disordered freaks are so damn fun to deal with, I get off on the confirmation bias. I am going to stop replying to you now because even though it’s quite entertaining to watch you dig yourself deeper and deeper, your dabbling in different personalities is just getting old and silly and frankly a little disturbing. And anyway, your idiotic logic in this last post really discredits your “arguments” in this thread and supports your obsession with the crowd that runs with The Secret. Thanks for bringing it full circle.
People crave understanding, because it makes them feel less powerless.
People don’t want to be so afraid of dying, and a belief in a creator and a plan allows them to shed a lot of that fear.
These are very fundamental fears and feelings that have very little to do with the intellect, so even the most science-minded people will still be found among the ranks of the believers because it brings peace. Peace is a good thing if the alternative is abject terror of a random universe, and that’s what it would be for a lot of people.
I’m sure some people think like this (and wouldn’t it suck to live like that). But I find a random universe comforting. Yes, I’m a Christian, and one of the downsides of that is when you start to feel precious.
But in a vast, randomly-designed reality? “Hey, it’s not all about me… or my religion, or homo sapiens, or even the earth!” We’re just part of a much bigger universe (that, given the frequency of parades for alien ambassadors, probably doesn’t give a shit about us).