They obviously had knowledge of the future, otherwise they wouldn’t have gone after Kyle Reese, who’s just some kid.
- If you have something happen to your heart, it’s no problem. They will be able to perform a heart transplant in an open sided tent in the middle of the desert. The donor will apparently match you exactly for type and size so that you can continue to fight on.
Can someone hand me a spoiler or two about the ending? It’s about all I’m curious on. And why the heck is Skynet kidnapping people? To make them man the robot mines ('cause there’s no way Skynet would be able to build itself anything after a nuclear war). Oh well, AI == magic, in the minds of most Hollywood types.
You can also restart a stopped heart with a pair of powerlines like jumpstarting a car.
FYI Terminator 5 and 6 are already in development.
Well, if we assume that this future has anything to do with the one from the original movie, they’re supposed to be working the disposal units, burning the bodies of the other humans who die.
Of course, that future also had a far more deseperate humanity living in sewers and using lasers.
I guess in this future they’re going to be used for research into more human looking terminators…or perhaps made into batteries(Combined with a form of fusion) to power skynet.
At least there was no “Hasta la vista, baby.”
So does anyone want to fanwank how Skynet knew about Kyle Reese (who’s just a kid) and a low level John Connor in 2018?
More time travel?
The nanites from the T-X made some changes to Skynet in T3?
More scriptwriting?
I’m going with the nanites myself, I just wish they had told us.
Distributed processing chip from the first Arnold in T1. Background and mission data included in each limb in an encrypted mode…just in case.
That means that, should just an arm survive it would keep trying to fulfill its mission. So when Cyberdyne got the arm to work with they also got the OS from it and therefore the mission log. Work that into Skynet and when it wakes up it goes ‘Whoa Nelly! Better get to work!’
That would also account for the quick way that Skynet determined to begin wiping out the human race. As far as it’s concerned it has ALWAYS been on a mission to do so…there was no ‘decision’ for it. It’s original OS, coming from the year 2029 in the first Arnold, had it at war already!
Because Skynet is a computer that is wired into the Internet. That means it has access to all police, medical and psychological records from 1984, 1994 and 2004 containing information on Kyle Reece, Sarah Conner, John Conner, a large unidentified man who appears unstoppable, their involvement with various incidents related to Cyberdyne and their rantings about Skynet, Terminators, Judgement Day and the future.
And since computers don’t feel incredulous, it would simply reason that if a man named Kyle Reece suddenly appeared in 1984 with no previous history, ranting about current events, logic dictates that there is a high probability that he is, in fact, from the future.
Miles Dyson said the chip was smashed and useless. They didn’t build skynet out of the Terminator’s parts. They just used them for ideas for new designs.
This was my wife’s explanation as well.
I’m really tired of the “mute child” meme. It’s obviously there because very few child actors can deliver lines convincingly.
So they should either have found one who could (even if she wouldn’t be as cute) or write her out of the picture.
Although I have to admit her silence is preferable to Dakota Fanning’s nonstop shrieking in War of the Worlds.
Awful movie. None of the characters had any sort of personality whatsoever. You know, we’ve seen John Connor as a kid and as a guy of about twenty, but there was absolutely nothing tying this John to that John. Moments when they could have made that connection (“Hey, I’m fighting with an exact replica of the robot I knew and loved as a child!” “Wow, I’m meeting my father for the first time!”) were conveyed with a camera push in and a music sting, and then forgotten about.
The open-air, perfect-match heart transplant made me want to run up and kick the screen.
It’s the future. That’s gonna be common place.
There needs to be a whole new series made. Aliens and Terminator are done.
Sure there was. John Connor is an annoying douche at every age!
But yeah, I totally agree. No one shows any emotion other than glaring or anguished bellowing. I mean Marcus waking up in the middle of a ruined LA with no idea how he got there by itself would be a lot to deal with.
Yeah, you’re right. I’m sure that medical science grew in leaps and bounds during those nine years of post apocalyptic scavenging.
Question: Are all machines sentient in the future? If so, what was preventing the heart monitor hooked up to John from killing him with a shock to the heart?
I’m just happy they didn’t do the cliche “mute kid says something important/profound near the end of the movie.”
No, it’s only machines created/controlled by Skynet.
I thought there was going to be a Very Special Moment at the end where the mute child finally speaks and says something hallmarkish. Glad there wasn’t.
Edit: I really need to learn to read to the end before posting a reply. Last post covered this.
It should have taken awhile for him to realize that he’s actually alive and not in Hell. And was it just me or did we get a glimpse of T-800’s junk? 
I have been reading assessments of the film this weekend in order to get a better grasp of one thing about the film in particular that is still boggling me; something about the whole “destiny vs. the machine vs. free will” thing, specifically about Marcus, as the film essentially revolves around him. Maybe somebody can throw in with some thoughts.
Each antagonist in the franchise has gotten a little more cunning and high tech, with Marcus being the latest culmination of Skynet’s prototypes in this new timeline (which is now essentially the fixed timeline for the supposed new trilogy which will not be tinkered with, retconned, re-adjusted, or alternate-timelined away as it was in this film or in T3). Skynet, in every timeline, has sought to build a more perfect infiltrator. The T-800 was a bit bulky for an infiltrator, as its gargantuan size was hard to ignore (case in point, Cameron had originally wanted Lance Henriksen as the Terminator in T1 because he was a much more ordinary guy who, while still having an eerie robotic creepiness about him, could blend into a crowd), so later models went to a smaller frame to blend in. I maintain that the T-1000 was Skynet’s best infiltrator design, but it obviously saw fit to take it to the next level with the T-X, which housed a flame thrower, plasma cannon, and dental surgery toolset on a combat chassis underneath the liquid veneer. With Marcus, however, they went the Robocop route and created the ultimate hybrid: a bionic man which required no neural mapping, no fake behavioral routines, no convincing traits to make it seem human, because he already was. A real brain and circulatory system wired up to a cybernetic chassis which could infiltrate with no effort while being able to soak up a hell of a lot of damage. Here’s where I start to get a bit lost …
Marcus appears to have been given free will by design, but in the end, we’re sort of told he actually didn’t have any at all. His whole purpose was to lure Connor and/or Reese to Skynet, yet he was not actively seeking either or them out with that intent, but with the intent of figuring out what the hell was going on around him. Also interesting to note that Marcus happens upon Kyle after nearly being gunned down by, well, one of his fellow soldiers! I guess Marcus was one of those “so top secret, even the President doesn’t know about it” type projects, so fellow Terminators didn’t reserve any special treatment for him. Anyway, he goes through all this crap, getting torn to shreds and dishoned by Connor, then gets repaired again by his creators only to be told of his true purpose in a hackneyed “bad guy tells all” moment in a big speech towards the end. He gets understandably mad about having being used as a pawn and proceeds and rip the back of his head open to remove what I reckon was some kind of behavioral inhibitor, in a gesture which at once reminded me of the thing on the back of Doctor Octopus’ neck which inhibited his ability to assume control over the octo-arms which had taken over his inner id. I suppose Skynet wanted to give Marcus complete free will and self-determination, so much even to allow him the ability to rip open his own flesh and make a choice, but then why would it tell him all about how he had been used as a puppet without also hard-coding the inability to rip out his own “mission control” chip? Skynet stood there in front of him on a big screen, taunting him and essentially calling him a big sucker, so he says fuck you and rips out the chip. At that point, Skynet goes “Er, uh … oops?” :rolleyes: That being said, exactly what behavioral inhibition was Skynet forcing upon him that required the removal of this chip in the first place? This still has me going “WTF?” days later.
I realize I’m probably just playing mental masturbation with what is likely just a result of shitty writing, but maybe I’m missing something about the how and why behind Skynet’s creation of Marcus, and what his mission objectives and behavioral limitations really were. Or at least I hope I am.