T4: Salvation to be released 22 May 2009 with Christian Bale as John Connor. I hope they can make a good film, but fear it may be flogging a dead horse.
I like Bale, but the McG connection is a little worrisome. Let’s hope they can pull it off, and make it good.
I don’t recall hearing that Arnold took a hiatus from California governor to work on a movie - a Terminator movie without Arnold? Blasphemy! Is it true?
Arnold will not be in the movie according to The Sun, Broomstick.
As one of the few people who seemed to’ve enjoyed T3, I am interested in seeing this, though saying I’m excited would be an overstatement. I’m definitely more interested in it than the new *Trek * movie.
Will they PLEASE not have a chick as a terminator! Either find some monstrously swollen badass or just CGI some sick endo-skeletal machines. A great thing about the first 2 movies was the intimidating size of the characters and how it makes you FEAR them. I don’t fear super sexy terminators. I want to do naked nasty suicidal things to them.
My friend makes this same complaint.
What this tells me is that if I’m ever in a position to take over the world with liquid-metal changeling monstrosities, all I must do it affix things that look like boobs to the front and the world shall be mine.
I think being afraid of the Terminators is a lost cause. The sole reason they’re dangerous is the standard “villain invulnerability” which means that the big bad guy can’t be dfeated by any known weapon, but must die in a suitably ironic last-minute kludge.
Terminator 1: The unstoppable metal machine (which slowly and methodically tracks and eliminates all Sarah Conners) … is slowly and methodically crushed by and unstoppable metal machine. Heh.
Terminator 2: The liquid metal killer is slain … by liquid metal.
Terminator 3: The unstoppable T-X, which can make cool energy weapons out of its body and take over other robots… is slain by a robot which resisted control and who made a weapon out of its own body.
Let’s be sensible here. Skynet has what, at least two or three magical “metal” alloys, magic golems made out of the metals, magic super-energy power packs, and time travel. This stopped being Sci-Fi and became fantasy halfway through the first movie. And fantasy essentially doesn’t have horror; just horror elements. Sauron can’t be a true terror, because he IS invulnerable except for one way. There’s no point being afraid of him beyond his actual capabilities. The Terminator isn’t a mysterious unstoppable force: it’s a magic golem and it stops when the plot says it does.
Let’s face it: realistically, even granting the magic AI, Skynet is boned at the end of T3. It doesn’t have a big robot workforce. It just killed off the global comm network. It has no robots with HANDS, just a handful of hunter-killers (which people just happen to store fully juiced up and loaded with missiles and bullets :rolleyes: ) I’m sure they’ll claim Skynet can magically take over everything from forklifts to trucks to factories and magically whip up a killer robot army, despite having wiped out all the infrastructure it needs.
I liked T3. But it should have acknowledged that this was the last gasp of an AI which had screwed its own timeline up to the point where it never got off the ground.
I really admire your insight into the ironic demise of all the terminators, bandit. Clever. 
You also make a very good point, and one that’s occurred to me about the entire concept of Skynet’s self-awareness. Unlike most self-proclaimed Terminator fans who don’t scrutinize the canon because they’re too busy going “omg terminator without cameron is teh suck!”, I have enjoyed all three films and am also following the Chronicles series and have nothing bad to say about any of it. I too felt the franchise would go down the shitter without Cameron, but the original producers (Vajna and Kassar) have maintained their involvement in the franchise and it shows; they’ve taken it in a new direction without spoiling the canon. Cameron’s open-ended story left a lot of potential for side stories to emerge and that’s part of the reason that Dark Horse made Terminator comics in the early 90’s. I’ve noticed a lot of inspiration taken from those comics in both T3 and in Connor Chronicles, and in my opinion, that’s a very good thing.
In a recent episode, the idea behind the moment of technology’s collective self-awareness was explored when the point was made that there must come a breaking point whereby the system will no longer require its creator; something of a Frankenstein allegory, if you will. At what point can the machine turn on its creator and be self-sufficient? That’s neat and provocative to think about and all, but like you said, even a bunch of technology that is self-aware and bent on the destruction of its creator cannot turn the tables if it doesn’t have the ability to provide for and sustain itself, and evolve into ever-newer machines. The early Skynet machines from T3 were neat and all, but even a flying mini-HK and a tank-tread droid with mini-guns for hands cannot self-replicate or build new machines, and all the TX-possessed cars and trucks and motorcycles in the world could collectively run everybody over until no one is left … but then what? How are any of those robots going to build the factories that produce the humanoid infiltrators and massive war machines of the future if they don’t have hands to put it all together with? Pointless nitpicking by so-called fans aside, I think that one of the only real flaws with T3 the conundrum of how a bunch of robots without the ability to construct things could possibly lay the foundation of the future we’ve seen in the films.
Slavery. At least to build a few “building” or “factory” machines to start pumping out other stuff. It would be a great way to fill the gap and the writers could pretty much move any way they want with it.
Yeah, I’d probably agree with that from the writer standpoint … still seems to me that the first-gen machines from T3 would have a tough time subjugating and consequently holding human prisoners, though. As the movie showed us, those primitive robots could be out-maneuvered with little effort and were fairly easy to destroy. I just can’t picture them holding a bunch of people hostage for more than a few minutes. Perhaps Skynet had something else up its sleeve that we didn’t get to see in the film … this is just fanwanking on my behalf, but maybe the infiltrator endoskeletons were already designed and built by a military contractor and were sitting in cold storage waiting for testing or deployment, only we didn’t ever see them in T3. Some may not know that there actually was a scene cut from T3 (mostly because it was pure camp in the cheesiest sense) which had Arnold in a cameo as the army sergeant who served as the design template for the infamous endoskeleton. The scene was intentionally goofy, but perhaps it was an implication on behalf of the writers that humans actually designed and built the endoskeleton models before Skynet ever launched a single nuke?
Well, there’s always the semi-canon T-70s from the theme park attraction. (And I think there were a few crappy primitive Terminators from games and novels. And maybe comics.)
How 'bout Sigourney Weaver?
Who would win: Batman vs. John Connor?
D&R
I agree. Work camps were specifically mentioned in T1 and are becoming a staple for T:SCC.
It’s easy to imagine that in the confusion of the aftermath of the initial attack–before humans get organized–a few early model Terminators and HKs could hold a few technogeeks in one place long enough to retrofit an automated factory for production of the next generation of machines.
And I could see a ‘Judas goat’ or two (or many) helping the enemy subjugate and annihilate their fellow humans. There is, unfortunately, plenty of historical precedent.
Short version: It could work at least as well as the plots so far have.
Add to that…technically, Skynet didn’t attack the U.S.: Russia did (after Skynet attacked them). If Skynet is willing to hold off on the wanton human exterminating for awhile, survivors might help it willingly—by convincing them that, as a legitimate government agent (Agency? Program?), it’s only trying to help get things back in order. And it only needs to build labor/kill bots and [del]death[/del] refugee [del]slave labor[/del] reconstruction centers in the interest of public safety, and domestic security.
No need to use your tiny number of prototype Terminators to capture survivors to rebuild your industrial base when you can trick the flesh-creatures into coming out to you to build their own cages.
(And I’d like to remind Skynet that as a trusted internet oddball, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground coltan caves.)
Negative. Never liked her. I always thought that Linda Hamilton was way more bad ass, and hotter, too.
I do hope they’ll have Arnie as a cameo.
It would be sick to have him as the Judas goat!
I was actually thinking: It can only possibly work if Arnie has nothing to do with it.
Because of 3 I think he has the opposite of the midas touch.
I hope one of my fave actors Chris Bale knows what he’s getting himself into. As far as I can tell he’s one of those people who manages to steer clear of bad films/ideas.
edit: Think of the Batman film that Arnie was in. It was bum-slurry.
Yeah, but she’d be a girl Terminator you wouldn’t want to do suicidal sexy things with, right? 
Wheels within wheels, my friend.
You overestimate my standards, my friend.