I saw The Time Machine - HUGE SPOILERS

My wife and I went to see this over the weekend. I wasn’t expecting it to be very good, but I hadn’t seen any reviews so I went in to the theater hoping I would be wrong. Alas, I was not.

It started out well enough. The early scenes were done well enough, and it had a quirky sense of humor that I enjoyed. It had nothing to do with the book, but I’ve learned to live with that when I see movies. Basically, the inventor of the time machine is an absent-minded type who is easily distracted. He accidentally causes the death of his fiance on the night he proposes to her and loses it. He spends the next four years working on building a time machine so he can change what happened.

I thought this was a fairly interesting way to give the character some motivation and it was handled well (keep in mind that I am viewing the movie as a self-contained work unrelated to the book). When he finishes the machine we get to the first point in the movie where I had some problems with it.

He takes the machine back in time to make sure that his fiance doesn’t go to the park where she was killed, and then she’s run over by a carriage. After this happens he comes to the conclusion that you can’t change the past. I thought this was ridiculous. He obviously changed the past, she died in a completely different manner. What I expected to happen was to show the guy travelling back in time repeatedly to try and stop her death before coming to this realization but he gives up after the first try!

Anyway, after this happens he decides to travel into the future to find out why he can’t change the past. Makes sense, I guess, it would be reasonable to assume that people would learn more about time travel after it’s already been done. He goes to the year 2030.

The future New York was fairly well realized, nice special effects, didn’t go too overboard with the fancy high-tech stuff, but then, we don’t get to see much of it. We do see a commercial for a moon colony that describes how the underground chambers are created with nuclear bombs (FORESHADOWING!). He goes to a library and interacts with an artificial intelligence in the form of the 7-Up guy. The library has nothing on time travel beyond basic theory and science fiction. Time traveller becomes frustrated with the obnoxious search engine and decides he needs to go further into the future.

He starts moving further ahead but he sees something like a huge explosion only 7 years later. He stops the machine and comes out into a ruined city. He looks up and sees the moon broken into several pieces ala ‘Thundarr the Barbarian’. He’s about to be arrested by military police who are evacuating the area when he is told that we changed the orbit of the moon with the bombs they were using to hollow it out. OK, it’s not a good sign when a movie is obviously lifting ideas from a badly animated early '80s Hanna Barbera cartoon and a really bad British sci-fi series from the 70s. Anyway, he manages to escape to his machine and escape forward, but he knocks himself out and falls against one of the levers and travels hundreds of thousands of years into the future.

He wakes up in a hut reminiscent of those on Gilligan’s Island, at least at first. He tries to talk to a little boy who doesn’t seem to understand him and runs away. He follows him outside and sees that he is in a matte painting, I mean in a village of strange bamboo buildings that are hanging from the walls of a huge canyon. This scene is accompanied by annoying New Age music ala Enya. He meets up with an attractive young woman who was the one who found him in his time machine and took care of him while he was unconscious. Amazingly, she speaks perfect unaccented American English despite being born more than 800,000 years in our future. She explains that this is the ‘Stone Language’ and that it is taught to all children. If so, why didn’t the boy reply to him in English, and why does the woman have to translate for him when the rest of the village shows up? Oh well.

She tells everyone else he was hit on the head and he is a wandering idiot, but she believes his story about being a time traveller. That night he has a dream of running through some woods while spooky eyes watch him, which ends with him approaching an angular skull-shaped structure. When he wakes up he finds out that everybody has that dream, but the woman won’t explain it’s meaning.

The next day they are outside doing some kind of hunter-gatherer busy work and he asks her why there are no old people. She tells them that they go away, but doesn’t explain more. About this time they are attacked by the Morlocks.

Morlocks are CGI creatures that look like vaguely reptillian apes. They shoot people with blowgun darts that are covered with a smelly sticky substance, then they sniff out the people who were marked, tie them up, and run away with them. There is no explanation for why they shoot them with the darts first, as they are obviously not drugged or poisoned. The time traveller fights one of them to rescue the kid but is about to get whupped when all the Morlocks run off and sink into the ground. The cute woman was taken, too. When he asks he finds out that nobody knows where they go with them and nobody ever comes back once the Morlocks take them. Nobody has ever considered fighting the Morlocks either, though they are not THAT formidable.

The kid tells him of a place with ghosts, so he goes there for more info. He discovers a cave with the computer core that held the artificial 7-Up guy, who is still functional after 800,000 years though a bit worse for wear. He provides exposition, telling how humanity split into two species, one that lives underground and one that lives above ground and is prey to the first. He also tells them where the entrance to the Morlocks caves are, which he knows about because one of the Eloi escaped and told him. This person who told him apparently died in the cave because his skeleton is still there. Why they did not return to the village is a mystery, as it can’t be very far away since the kid led him from there to the cave.

Time travelling guy goes to the entrance, which is the angular skull-shaped structure that I guess is supposed to be menacing. He crawls down the hole and finds caves full of Morlocks and big primitive machines. Around this time I had to go pee, so I missed what happened next. When I came back he had been captured by Jeremy Irons in white face paint and long hair. He is apparently the psychic leader of the Morlocks, and he too speaks perfect English and is very reminiscent of every effeminate Disney villain. They talk back and forth about stuff uninteresting enough for me to forget in 2 days, and end up fighting in the time machine, which is lowered on an elevator. Head Morlock also induces a hallucination for the time traveller that shows how things might have been different had his fiance not been killed.

BTW, I found out from my wife that while I was gone the head Morlock explained how he was going to use the cute woman for breeding purposes instead of food, apparently the Morlocks can’t breed by themselves anymore. Huh.

Anyway, they fight on the machine, evil Morlock-dude is knocked out of it so he’s barely hanging on, time traveller shoots machine into the future and evil Morlock-dude rots away to nothing before our eyes. In the even further future everything is red and there are lots of angular skull Morlock cave entrances. He returns to the time he just left and rescues the woman. The Morlocks are coming though and he says he is going to change the future. He rigs the time machine to just sit there spinning and creating a light show and they start climbing out of the tunnels, pursued by Morlocks. The time machine keeps spinning up until it seems to implode and send this wave of special effects throughout the tunnels that makes all the Morlocks wither away into nothing. Somehow he managed to make it to a hill overlooking the area while all the Morlocks were still inside, even though they were right on his heels as he was climbing out and were much faster than humans. Having successfully committed genocide, they live happily ever after.

When I left the theater my wife asked me what I thought of it, I gave it one and a half stars. Turns out this is the same rating Roger Ebert gave it. The beginning was good, and the special effects were very good in places though they were very uneven. That’s about the best I can say about it, though.

I trust Roger Ebert.

Guy Pierce had this incredibly dopey look on his face for most of the film.

I agree that a man so obsessed that he spent 4 years working day and night on a time machine would not give up after losing the girl one more time. 3 or 4 times, minimum.

BTW, it’s a horrible cliche’ to have the hero say to the girl “Wait right here”. You just KNOW somethings gonna get her!

VERY disappointing movie.

Three thoughts that came to me at 4 AM when I couldn’t get back to sleep:

  1. Why didn’t the Head Morlock use his psychic powers to summon help when he was hanging out of the Time Machine? His minions could have come and cut his arms off at the elbows. It would have been tough living the rest of his life with hooks instead of hands (or maybe not so bad; he’s the brains, as he says, and the minions are the hands, tee hee), but it beats staying stuck with his hands inside the Machine for years and years until he eventually starves to death and rots away SFXically. We know that in the future the Morlocks are still around and having Eloiburgers for luncheon; we see the Eloi concentration camps. I guess the Morlocks get tired of doing the hunting thing.

  2. It would have been funny as hell (a la GROUNDHOG DAY) if the Time Traveller (sorry, I still think of him that way, and not with the stupid name the screenwriter hung on him) DID keep going back to try to save his blondie fiancee, and she died in a bunch of different ways. “You just stand here safely under this grand piano dangling from a cable, and I’ll get you a buncha flowers!”

  3. What the HELL was that weird accent Pearce and the blondie fiancee were using? Is that the way the director thought upper-middle-class New Yorkers talked in 1899?

Y’know, that’s the one and only reason I forgave him for giving up after one try (not to mention that it’s gotta kind of suck seeing the love of your life die not once, but twice). I mean, guys, the writer’s had her get hit by a runaway horse-drawn carriage! How many more campy, lame, deaths did you want to see? Me, I was happy (well, irritated) with just the one.

Regarding why the Eloi didn’t fight back, one of the guys said that the Morlocks take, and have historically taken, the people that fight back first. Seems like a viable way to keep the sheep docile to me.

On a side note, did anybody notice that 800k years of evolution apparently killed off all the blondes?

On another note, how the hell did all these bits and pieces of NYC live through 800k years, when we saw an ice age or two, the formation and erosion of mountains, islands, and otherwise very large chunks of earth?

How weird is it to come out of a movie and realize that Orlando Jones was one of the more entertaining parts of it?

Becuse then we’d not have the chance to see really Kewl “rotting away effects”. Psychic Morlock bad-guys are considerate that way. :smiley:

Actually, it wasn’t that big a disapointment to me. Sure there were plot holes large enough to drive the moon through, but I didn’t go expecting accuracy, I went to be entertained. It was sufficently non-offensive that I could suspend disbelief for an hour and a half, although I did wonder how he kept his house paid-for if he’d spent all his time obsessing over his machine. I gathered from his buddy’s comments that he’d spent 4 years straight working on the machine… Wouldn’t that have put a crimp in his income, or was he independantly wealthy?

And since when is a 20 megaton demolition device going to bust-up the moon, much less change it’s orbit? That’d be like trying to deflect a Hideo Nomo pitch by farting at it.

I give it a fairly similar report. However, in the movie’s defence, Badtz, you did leave during the most crucial 5 minutes, in terms of exposition.

I’m not sure if your wife gave you the full run down, or if you just wanted to purge all memories of the movie since then. Here’s a brief synopsis of what you missed:

Jeremy Irons was a psychic, and the Morlocks had been breeding different castes of the human race since the moon fell. The Morlocks consisted of at least 3 castes: spies (that’s what the credits said - I imagine they were the ones blowing the darts), hunters, and the psychics. Each colony had a psychic, who controlled everyone.

What I don’t understand is how destroying one colony somehow saved the Eloi for the rest of time. Obviously, from the fast forward to the far future the Morlocks had completely taken over the world. Plus, Jeremy Irons mentioned other colonies. What’s the dealio with that?

Another thing - how did the time machine create such a huge explosion? Couldn’t they have at least taken 3 seconds in the beginning having Guy mention the huge amount of energy the time machine created, or something to that effect?

And finally, I don’t have that big a problem with the “stone words.” The metal plaques I imagine could possibly survive 800,000 years. Not so much the stone words, but whatever. What I have a problem with is the glass that the 7-Up Guy was transposed on. After 800,000 years, that glass would have either shattered (two ice ages?), or poured into a little puddle of glass (glass is a fluid, right? Anyone?).

The matte painting of the Gilligan huts was horrible. But apart from that, I thought the effects were pretty cool. I didn’t even think the Morlocks were CGI, until Badtz said they were (and Badtz’s word is GOD!).

At the end of the film when you see the explosion snaking around the ground, I think the idea was that it’s travelling underground blowing up all the Morlock colonies. Stupid, but there it is.

No, it’s not. That’s an urban myth I am fairly sure has been debunked here a few times. And anyway, maybe it wasn’t glass.

I found Orlando Jones surviving one of the more believable bits, since at least his machine was in an enclosed space. The rest of it was hysterically dumb.

I thought the movie was OK. If I had to see it again I would.

I am a huge fan of the book, so I guess that’s why I’m always a tad bit peeved when they have the Eloi talking. Or when they have the Eloi looking human. Or that they speak English! In my minds eye, I imagined the Eloi to be small humanoid creatures, with bulbous heads and small skinny arms and legs. They don’t talk. But I do realize that if you put that in a movie, it would be pretty boring.

Some other nitpicks I have:

*Even though Emma’s death was four years earlier, the Time Traveller and everyone around him act like her death was two months ago!
*Never mind the fact that if the Time Traveller went back to try to save Emma, he would run the risk of seeing himself. I’m sure there were a lot of time traveling paradoxes throughout the movie.
*I agree with Ebert when he said the Morlocks looked too cartoonish when they ran.
*What’s with the music? It was like I was watching an episode of “Survivor”.
*I’m wondering why they didn’t cast Jeff Goldblum as the Time Traveller. He always gets these nerdy over-worked scientist parts.

I would have been more entertained and less concerned about plot-holes if the cute Eloi chick had spent the movie nakeder.

The chain-link blouse and one shot of thigh as she climbed the ladder didn’t do enough to distract me from the fact that the moving-ahead-in-time special effects (spider on web, roses blooming and dying, changing dresses on ladies- shop mannequin) were lifted directly from the 1960 George Pal version, which was at least sensible enough to keep Yvette Mimieaux in a mini-dress.

Haven’t seen the flick but was curious to know how the machine looked. Thanks to your thread title I understand it has huge spoilers?

I went and saw this movie on Saturday, and was very dissapointed too. I agree with most of the holes that others have already mentioned. Here’s some others…

Was there only one female in the whole eloi race? - it looked that way.

How did super psychic morlock lose the fight - he seemed to have powers of telekinesis earlier?

I had to at least wonder what the hell all those morlocks were doing underground with all that machinery… It was never mentioned.

At the end when our hero walks around in the jungle he knows exactly where his old house was, where hisd study was…etc.
WTF? The terrain hadn’t changed at all? We clearly saw valleys forming around the machine (which was the best bit) as he headed into the future.How did he know where he was anyway - internal GPS?

The book was very different and much more enjoyable… where was the social commentary? the enormous temples in the forests, the feeling that a lot had been accomplished over the eons and then lost…?

Wasted opportunity…
:wally
(just trying out the new smilies)

Because that’s where his Time Machine stopped. Time changed, the location didn’t. Experiment: Stand still where you are for the next 800,000 years. Have you moved?

Man, that’s even worse. Good thing he got out in time. :rolleyes:

Why would a time machine need spoilers? Do they improve the temporal flow ? :smiley:

In TIME!

Hehe! That’s hysterical! He escaped from a time explosion! He got out in time! Giggle…

Sorry, I… I haven’t been well.

Anyway, I back what Ike said. Change the pretty native girl’s clothing to see thru, give us a couple of upskirt shots on the ladder, and I would have forgotten that a couple of measly megatons aren’t going to split the moon.

Now to mess with a few people’s heads…

So he builds the time machine goes back in time and arrives early at the park and whisks Emma away. But his former self arrives late, Emma fails to meet him and later he learns that she was run over by a carriage. So he being him builds a time machine, goes back in time and tries to intervene before she is run over. So he either confronts himself at this point or comes across Emma while the future him is in the flower shop… Either way this is already a better movie. Well except we are missing out on the half naked native girl but I think I can work her in somehow…

There were tons of plotholes, to be certain. One, though, that really bugged me…

The Morlocks created different castes through selective breeding, right? Why couldn’t they adapt themselves to live on the surface again?

For that matter, why’d the Morlocks attack during the day!?!?

See, this is why I hate the Straight Dope. Nothing but logic this and logic that…

Point. :smiley:

See, your just going to irritate yourself asking such questions. Next you’ll start wondering why the Molrocks didn’t just eat the tasty humans while they were stealing the time travelers watch.

Does he imply there wouldn’t be a Morlock/Eloi future had his wife been killed the first time, without his second intervention?

I look at this less as a spoiler thread, and more as a warning to save $8! :wink: