One of the tools in the insurrectionist’s (terrorist’s if you prefer) toolbox is striking at the families of government employees. Ideally, the result is that said employees become fearful of carrying out the type of actions the insurrection opposes. Enough attacks on families, or on government employees not directly related to the objectionable actions, paralyzes the government through fear. Or so the thinking goes. McVeigh might have believed others would copy his actions. Or maybe he just wanted revenge and thought no further.
I think Timothy McVeigh's actions were not an entirely unreasonable reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco.
A civilized society wouldn’t give rise to people like McVeigh in the first place, if we’re going to play the “civilized” card.
If we’re going to play the “civilized card,” by your standards has there ever been a civilized society?
I’d say obviously so, McVeigh being somewhat of an outlier.
Which one or ones is it? I’m interested in which societies do not produce people like McVeigh.
He hasn’t responded yet, has he?
You’ve seemed to have confused “civilized” with “totally mind-controlled”.
All societies produce cold-blooded killers … even The Village had it’s share of whack-o’s …
McVeigh had lawful alternatives, speaking out and peaceably assembling with others of like mind … but that didn’t serve his desire to kill … so I’m not sure how “civilized society” comes into this …
Ekers made a statement regarding civilized societies. I’m asking for him to back that statement with an example. If you want to talk about me, start a new thread.
Name one liberal who has ever expressed concern (A) about Posse Comitatus specifically, or (B) overreach in general by the federal government.
There might be a tiny handful, but the vast majority of liberals cheer and encourage such overreach.
I’m talking about your response, and I’ll be doing it here.
OOOOHHH!! OOOHHH!!
Is it the overreach by the federal government into who people can marry, have sex with, or what they can ingest into their own bodies?
Yeah, start with those.
Bricker actually made the first such comment.
I’m confident there are a lot of countries (admittedly this is not perfectly synonymous with societies) that have never produced a terrorist with 50 or more kills to his credit.
If you insist that I name a specific one, let’s try… Canada. If you know of such a Canadian terrorist, I invite illumination on the topic.
Shot in the dark here, but did you think when I wrote “like McVeigh”, I meant people with right-wing political views, as opposed to mass murderers? That possible interpretation occurred to me a few minutes after your earlier post.
“Similar” is not “identical”, so your challenge is moot. There certainly are liberals who have petitioned and protested and become occasionally violent in response to what they perceive as governmental and unconstitutional mistreatment of others. In that limited sense, there are analogies to the behavior of Timothy McVeigh.
I was thinking about the separation of families.
One thing you gotta think about: if your ethical approach makes it difficult for you to distinguish between tearing down a racist statue, and murdering hundreds of people in a terrorist attack, maybe you need a new ethical approach.
If your ethical approach relegates all the differences between these two acts to “X, or Y, or Z conditions,” and you mock these differences as inescapably arbitrary, maybe you need a new ethical approach.
If, when confronted with an apologia for the murders, you instead put your energy into sniping at an apologia for statue destruction, you guessed it: maybe you need a new ethical approach.
Surely there’s an exception to that when it comes to (A) Posse Comitatus specifically, or (B) overreach in general by the federal government, surely, right?
CMC fnord!
crowmanyclouds, MAYBE YOU NEED A NEW ETHICAL APPROACH
fnord yourself!
