And yet, this is pretty much exactly how the vast majority of the participants are treating Stoid. Everyone acts as if she has to be 100% perfect all the time, and if she’s not, she gets post after post of sneering superiority. As if none of the people participating in this thread have ever eaten something they probably shouldn’t have. It’s really disgusting middle-school behavior. I’ve had planned cheats on my diet–I had a slice of pizza and a half-slice of cake and even a beer (gasp!) on my daughter’s birthday, some potatoes and chocolate mousse at dinner the other night, and occasionally I have a small piece of dark chocolate, although it’s been a while. Guess what? I’m still losing weight! Perfection is not required–you just have to go back to eating normally after your planned bad meal. As it looks like Stoid did after the cornbread incident, but that’s not stopping people from following her all over the board needling her about it. God forbid everyone pick over YOUR diet with a fine-toothed comb.
This came after my post, so I’m not sure if you were addressing me specifically. If you were, I’ll admit to being confused since I have already stated that going off-plan is a part of making any eating change real and permanent.
I’m glad you’ve found something that’s working for you. I hope you’re able to make whatever tweaks and modifications you need to establish a permanent way of eating.
That may be true for some. But my own experience tells me that it doesn’t really “stick” unless you are perfectly consistent.
The last time I went low carb was around the time Krispy Kreme came to Los Angeles. I’d been off sugar for a few weeks, and decided I wanted to know what the fuss was about, so I stopped by during the “hot” hour, and got my first superfresh hot Krispy Kreme donut… and spit it out gagging because I found it so insanely sweet and gummy. I was stunned that anyone found it appealing. I have had them since, and I now know that my violent disgust was only because I was living so sugar-free at the time. I now fully appreciate the glory that is a hot KK glazed donut. (Although right this minute, living VLC as I am, I probably wouldn’t.)
Which is to say, if you started eating foods that were just a little fattier than you are used to, yet still pleasing to you, you would probably quickly find more fat more appealing. Again, assuming you started out with a taste for it that you’ve trained yourself off of, rather than having a more innate distaste.
But everyone’s tastes change over the years. When I was a kid, part of my overall compusive eating included finding pretty much no amount of butter to be too much. My toast could be so saturated that the butter pooled on the surface and I loved it. I do not feel that way now, in fact I’ve recently found myself preferring a very restrained smear of butter on my toast, as well as much more lightly toasted toast. And I used to love popcorn drowning in butter, but really don’t like it at all anymore. Still like butter, but just enough to flavor, not so much I can’t lay hold of the greasy kernals.
On the other hand, I can still enjoy a butter soaked pancake or a butter-basted egg. Depends.
Then tell me what you mean by this:
Because what I am hearing is that you are dismissing my experience as being an atypical event that doesn’t show that people who are overweight will be the target of hostility if the overweight person eats something enjoyable.
Drain Bead is pointing out that there are numerous examples of this in this very thread, and it sounds to me like you’re saying “Well, I’m not the one saying that”. Which is irrelevant to Drain Bead’s and my comments.
I ***love ***fat and sugar. I crave it on a daily basis. But for the last 20 years I have consumed very very little of it.
I’m 44 years old. Though I have always had a very slow metabolism, I am not fat. I *should *be, though. If I ate anything I wanted, like most of my friends and acquaintances, I would be 40 pounds overweight. I know this, because 20 years ago I ate anything I wanted, and I was 40 pounds overweight. I’ve kept the weight off for 20 years.
Over the years I have watched many friends, family members, and coworkers get fatter and fatter. Generally it’s because their metabolisms have slowed, and they failed to adjust their caloric intake accordingly. At the same time, most blame their bulging waistline on everything and anything *except *overeating. (“It’s not my fault I’m fat. I have a ‘condition’”.) Few are honest as to the reason they’re fat; the vast majority are either lying to themselves, or are delusional.
Some have asked me for advice on how to maintain a normal weight. In the past I would provide such advice, but I no longer do it; I have discovered that doing so is futile.
Here’s what I’ve learned over the years:
- The reason a fat person is fat is not due to ignorance.
- For the most part, education is not the solution; just as you cannot teach someone how to quit smoking, you cannot teach someone how to lose weight.
- A fat person is fat because their love of food is greater than their desire to lose weight. This must be reversed in order to lose weight.
- The inability to lose weight is a mental problem, not a physical problem.
- Losing weight – and keeping it off – requires a permanent change in your lifestyle. Your relationship with food must permanently change.
By the way, in spite of my morbid obesity, the more I’m learning about fat and sugar and carbs and heart disease and diabetes…the more it becomes clear to me why, in spite of my obesity, I’ve always had pretty good numbers on all the standard measures. I’ve never been willing to trade animal fat for vegetable, butter for margarine, fat for sugar, sugar for artificial sweeteners. I’ve also managed to dodge the national addiction to sweet drinks, with a small exception for real fruit juices, which I still drank sparingly.
Taken altogether, and with more and more knowledge of the way the above have messed with our health, I’m feeling more positive and hopeful all the time about my ability to stay healthy, in spite of the obesity, which, as I’ve always said and I finally heard someone else say for once, is a symptom, not a cause.
By which I mean: habitual equating of obesity as something which “leads to” heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure is wrong. Obesity is a symptom of something amiss, in the same way that Type2 diabetes is a symptom of something amiss, and high blood pressure is a symptom. Obesity in and of itself does not cause the other things, it’s just a result, like the other things are results, and they do not all have to exist together. Someone can have all the symptoms except obesity, and one can be obese without any of the other symptoms.
One of the doctors interviewed in “Fat Head” made the interesting point that the worst possible patients are non-fat patients who have bad bloodwork or high blood pressure or diabetes, or anything else that requires lifestyle changes that are generally associated with the changes required of the obese. They don’t believe that there can be anything wrong with them like that, because they aren’t fat, and only fat people have to worry about that. The same doctor, I think said it’s better to be fat and fit than slim and not fit.
The way people treat Stoid has little to do with her weight and a lot to do with her Stoidness. That isn’t to say there is no hostility on this board for the overweight. There is. But overweight people are just as prone to saying ridiculous and untrue things as skinny people are.
VERY much agreed!!! That is the biggest mistake too many people make about fat people.
To a large extent, agreed.
I agree that this is a critical factor, disagree that it’s everything. (After all, of the very few souls I’ve met who claim to be largely indifferent to food, none of them was fat.)
Again, a lot of truth, just not all of it.
Completely agreed. But this is the biggest fly in the ointment.
Five Realities that Crafter Man ignores (like the rest of the world):
-People are getting fatter somewhat because of ignorance.
-Education (reverse brainwashing) is part of the answer.
-A person’s love of food is – essentially – their zombie self not being able to control hunger/urges. It goes way beyond conscious thought.
-The inability to lose weight is a physiological issue passed off as mental.
-Losing weight and keeping it off requires a permanent change in your lifestyle that you are very very very very very very likely not able to do… ever… because it’s frigging physiological and not being addressed.
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WTF?
Are fried Chile Rellanos a health/diet food? Because the OP has started a thread elsewhere about it.
I understand, Stalky McStalkerson, that reading a 17 page thread is time-consuming, but do try to keep up before commenting.
Again, the above quoted post is the sort of sniveling condescension we should all try to avoid when dealing with a topic like dieting. Unless you enjoy being a bully. But most of us outgrew making fun of the fat kid by adulthood, one would hope, and have no real need to begin again.
TLDR version: Yes, chiles rellenos can be a diet food, if you pick the right damn diet.
Yeah, I am sure she ate just one small one once a week. And its LOW carb too!
IMO Stoids problem aint the food or the diet. What she thinks she’s eating and what she’s really eating (quality and volume wise) arent that related in reality.
At some point you go past sympathetic support and enter enabling territory. Personally I think that border checkpoint was a few miles back.
Well, he *does *have a point I’m afraid. She also has a thread on how to dispose of cooking fat. Now I do not mean any respect to Stoid, but a person who is serious about losing weight should seriously consider getting rid of the deep fryer.
WHY?
This is a very common trait in fat people. As I stated in my post above, most fat people lie to themselves, and/or are delusional. Unless they *completely *eliminate the denial and face the hard, cold facts, there is absolutely no chance they’ll loose weight. This is a not a “bad” thing, per say. It simply means they should get used to being fat.
Ok, what exactly do you think was said that is ridiculous and untrue?
Based on the laws of physics, and using an extreme example, it is entirely possible to eat nothing but fried lard and lose weight. So perhaps that’s where you’re coming from. But from a practical POV, a morbidly obese person who wants to lose weight would not be doing him or herself a favor by encapsulating their food with fat.
Jesus.
I am a skinny person who doesnt have to worry about having to diet at any serious level and even I know to keep fried foods to a minimum. Of course, then again, maybe thats why I am skinny.
I’m speechless. You win.
Not if your diet is VLC (Very Low Carb).
Fat is the not the problem. I thought the consensus was that calories were the problem, and that the beauty of VLC for weight loss is that you eat fewer calories? (Because it’s been agreed, since it’s been proved, that VLC is effective for weight loss) Isn’t that what everyone has been insisting? So why obsess about the fact that I am eating chile rellenos? Do you think I’m eating 3500 calories’ worth?
It’s remarkable to see how after over 700 posts the knees just keep jerking!
And my stalkers might have noticed that I posted in my chile rellenos thread that I am having a problem getting my batter right, so it ends up getting too greasy, leaving me to eat cheese and chiles without much of the part that’s deep fried anyway.
PS: I also fry my chicken wings. No batter, but the skin is crisper. MMmmm good.