"Idiocracy": great movie but misunderstood? {As seen in today's political climate}

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Most of you probably know there’s been a rise of people who claim that “Idiocracy” is actually coming true, and how that movie feels more like a documentary now. And it often turns into a political argument/debate. For example, right-wing/conservative fans of the movie will probably link it to SJWs and identity politics, liberal or left-wing fans may claim that the movie predicted Trump’s presidency, his supporters and Qanon, and so on.

Here are two videos about “Idiocracy”, one from right-wing and the other frok liberal/progressive perspective. Neither are particularly intelligent nor insightful.

The Dave Cullen Show - Dystopian Futures: Idiocracy Review

Cracked.com - Why Idiocracy Would Actually Be A Utopia

In the first video, the reviewer completely misses the movie’s very obvious criticism of consumerism and unregulated capitalism, and turns the whole argument into a socialist strawman. In the end, his whole argument ends up being against the “wellfare state”, something that wasn’t even mentioned in the movie.

As for the Cracked.com video, the host claims that the world of “Idiocracy” would arguably be better than what we have today, because racism and sexism seemingly do not exist. However, he seems to be forgetting that racism or sexism in itself isn’t the only thing that’s bad, but rather actions that come from those prejudices (violence, crime). And all those things (violence, hate, destruction) obviously still exist in the world of “Idiocracy”, even more so than in the modern-day US, they are just not racially motivated. Systemic issues like police brutality, megacorporations, nepotism etc. still exist too, just without a racial component. Regardless if somebody beats you up or kills you because of your race, religion, gender, or because you “talk like a f*g”, or because you told them to drink water instead of Brawndo, it’s still loss of life or limb over something stupid.

But ultimately, such interpretations seem to be looking for something that isn’t there. There is some politics in the movie, sure, since Joe has to work with the president/government in order to stop the starvation, and eventually even becomes the president himself. But it is politics in the most basic form. All the other political issues (racial politics, higher and lower taxes, gun laws, immigration, abortion, global warming/energy bills, free speech etc.) are not even mentioned in the movie.

The movie satirizes/parodies American popular culture (at the time), and hyper-consumerism. I think that is pretty obvious, with the whole Brando stuff, but some people don’t seem to see the forest from the trees and end up going in a completely different direction.

Let’s take a look at the time “Idiocracy” was made: 2005/2006. In the early to mid 2000s, entertainment/“reality” shows like “Punk!d”, “Jackass” and “Survivor” were very popular. Notoriously unfunny Carlos Mencia was also seemingly everywhere, even having his own show, “Mind of Mencia”, on Comedy Central from 2005 to 2008. Also, as ridiculous as that may sound, the rise of pop-stars like Britney Spears and Avril Lavigne was criticized by many at the time as the downfall/decline of music industry/art. That trend then contonued in late 2000s/early 2010s, with the criticism shifting to artists/performers like Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, One Direction and others.

It’s interesting to compare comments on songs/lyrics from 15-20+ years ago, to the more recent ones:

But the most obvious example in the movie is “The Masturbation Network”/“Go away, baitin’!” scene. It combines three of America’s favorite unhealthy indulgences/obsessions: pornography, trashy late-night TV and unhealhy food. The program literally shows a model cutting a stake with her feet. (My only complaint is that the stake was not big and greasy enough. It should have been a large T-bone steak, with French fries, fried onions and ketchup or mayonnaise as a side-dish… or mashed potatoes and green beans!)

Interesting enough, many negative stereotypes about Americans being overweight, uneducated, ignorant etc. seemed to come about in the late 90s and early 2000s. Before that, most of western European countries seemed to have a favorable opinion of the US and Americans, thanks in part to their joined goals and efforts during the Cold war.

It was also around that time that the whole “Americans have no culture” and “LOL America is less than 300 years old” attitude started becoming more and more common. Before that, most people would see such complaints as ridiculous, because a) every country has to start sometime/somewhere, b) the US was formed as a result of mistreatment by the British, c) Americans alive today have nothing to do woth how or when the US was formed and d) the US constitution called for free speech, secularism, gun rights etc. over a decade prior to the French revolution.

Also, Young Frankenstein isn’t really a comprehensive thesis of the bioethical considerations regarding life extension research and organ theft.

Stranger

@Mislav; I’m removing the Trump & Doc tags as not really about either.
If this is about Trump, Then do you want it in P&E or the Pit? The Pit would be a better fit.

It’s more about how the movie simply satirized American popular culture at the time, but these days many people have different political interpretations on it and miss the obvious point.

We’ll move it to P&E and see how it goes.

Thanks for making my day! :slight_smile:

It’s all part of the service.

Stranger

So you want us to drink water…like from the toilet?

More like this?

That looks like a fine meal for two. A bit much for one.

It’s easy to forget just how big a critter a cow is when you’re used to seeing at most 12 or 16oz portions.

More seriously, yes, Idiocracy is a satire on 2000s American culture.

More indirectly it is a cautionary tale against losing critical thinking skills. The film presents dysgenic pressure (stupid people out-breeding intelligent people) as leading to a society of morons but one might also argue that media and even AI play a significant (if not major) role as well (recall scenes like the woman struggling with the automated Buttfuckers food kiosk, the Brondo CEO complaining about the computer auto-firing half the company, and the Doctor telling Just Sure about his “tarded” girlfriend who is a pilot).

This is a society that doesn’t have to think because most of the thinking is done for them. And what does that society look like?

  • Garbage is strewn everywhere and the streets are littered with the detritus of stuff that broke that no one knows how to fix
  • The standard of living doesn’t seem particularly high
  • It’s played to comic effect but there is little in the way of civil rights or due process
  • There is little in the way of culture outside of pornography and cheap consumerist entertainment (which may not really matter to the citizens of such a society)
  • Perhaps most importantly, this is a society that neither has the capacity nor any sort of working framework or infrastructure for dealing with real problems. It is very possible that without the intervention of “the world’s smartest man”, who is an outsider, telling them they should water their plants with water instead of energy drink, their entire civilization may have actually collapsed and starved to death.

It’s a theme that is addressed in other films such as Wall*E and Don’t Look Up as well as older works such as Brave New World and Logan’s Run. Basically a warning against societies becoming complacent, soft, and stupid through excessive desire for hedonistic pursuits and the elimination of anything challenging or uncomfortable.

So you’re saying it’s “woke”?

Stranger

Did Mike Judge ever acknowledge the 1951 story The Marching Morons? TMM was darker than Idiocracy, written closer to the era when eugenics was respected (before you-know-who ruined both toothbrush mustaches and culling the undesirables).

Yeah, this movie is basically pro eugenics, so is it really the best basis for discussion?

I think the biggest political message in the movie is that the most important characteristic needed in a leader is an honest desire to improve things. People of good character can fix things, even if they’re not the smartest people in the world, so long as they really want to solve them. I don’t think the movie ever identifies which party Camacho is from, because ultimately that doesn’t matter.

Projecting the movie onto current politics misses this aspect. The biggest problem with Trump et al. isn’t that they’re stupid, it’s that they lack character, and lack the desire to make things better. They could be the smartest people in the world, and they’d still be a trash government ruling over a country piled with trash.

And that lack of character is a function of their culture more than anything else.

I wouldn’t say it’s “pro” eugenics, but it recognizes that genetics matters. I mean, if you believe that evolution exists, then you have to believe that the human race could change, if some environmental or social pressure existed to encourage certain types of breeding and discouraged others.

The big problem with eugenics as a social movement is that people conflated irrelevant characteristics (skin color, natch) with other characteristics (intelligence, moral character), and then decided they’d ban/control certain types of breeding on that spurious basis.

The other big problem is that they ignored the timelines of human breeding, and stupidly thought they’d be able to control it over the course of multiple generations. Humans don’t like playing that game for very long.

Why does “these days” include an eight year old video?

That’s just the old silk slippers/hobnailed boots trope (perhaps repackaged with all of humanity in silk slippers) isn’t it?

Nowadays it’s also completely obsolete. The technology now exists to eliminate harmful genes without stripping away anyone’s right to have children.

You are, of course, referring to Charlie Chaplin before the UN UN-Nazied the world?