Idiotic Science Reporters

In a MPSIMS thread, there was a link to this CNN story about the possible discovery of 2 additional moons around Pluto. In the story, the reporter writes,

and notes that Charon has an axis of 745 miles, and Pluto 1430 miles.

And I ask the writer - do you not understand basic mathematics? These are spheres, not just big lines floating out there in space somewhere. As such, their size is not the same as their axis. Approx. 30 seconds of calculations (or, y’know, actually looking it up) would have shown that Pluto is closer to 8 times the size of Charon than twice.

Not only that, but Pluto looks really fat in that dress. It’s no wonder the petite and svelte little Charon is getting all the boys’ attention.

Stop thinking so three-dimensionally!

What, Pluto has an axis of only 1470 miles and it calls itself a PLANET??? Puh-leeze …

And like all siblings they had some problems

Charon: Pluto’s picking on me!
Pluto: You started it!
Charon: Did not!
Pluto: Did too!
Charon: NOT!
Pluto: TOO!
Sun: Enough! I want both of you to behave or I’m sending you both to the Oort Cloud! Am I understood?
Charon and Pluto: 'kay
(pause)
Charon: I’m in orbit around you… You can’t touch me…

Tomorrow on CNN: “Double planet discovered between Mars and Venus.”

I hate to take away from a rant about an important topic, but when astronomers speak colloquially, “size” almost always refers to radius. That’s the most common way, after all, to descibe the scale of an object. You usually don’t say that the Moon is 2.05 x 10[sup]10[/sup] cubic kilometers in size, do you? Ask me the size of a particle in Saturn’s rings, and I’ll tell you 2 cm. Ask me the size of a black hole, and I’ll give its Schwartzschild radius. Ask me the size of an asteroid, and I’ll probably give you its long axis. Ask me how the size of Pluto compares to the size of Charon, and my first reaction would be to ratio the radii.

If you don’t like that, you can feel free to pit the astronomers. “Size” is a sloppy term to use, and you won’t find it used in technical writing without explicitly stating whether you’re talking about radius, or mass, or what. Maybe we should be equally careful about that in casual speech or writing. But I wouldn’t fault the reporter for repeating it, or using a similar convention.

Now, if you want to see some bad science writing, I got a link to this dreck from one of my students:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051029/ap_on_sc/early_americans

I can’t make heads or tails of what the archaeologist is claiming because the reporter has scrambled it beyond all recognition. It begins: “A supernova could be the ‘quick and dirty’ explanation for what may have happened to an early North American culture, a nuclear scientist here said Thursday.”

Very interesting, I thought!

But supernovae are not mentioned again.

Ever.

In the whole article.

“Richard Firestone said … that he thinks ‘impact regions’ on mammoth tusks found in Gainey, Mich., were caused by magnetic particles rich in elements like titanium and uranium.” Um. Fantastic. What the heck is an “impact region” in this context? Putting it in quotes doesn’t relieve you of the duty to define the unfamiliar term. Does he mean that the tusk itself actually got hit by an impactor? Really? A big one? A little one? Or is “impact region” some kind of a term used in palentology?

“He estimates that comets struck the solar system during the Clovis period, which was roughly 13,000 years ago. These comets would have hit the Earth at 1,000 kilometers an hour, he said, obliterating many life forms and causing mutations in others.”

1000 km/hr. Ooooooh. Very impressive. Except that’s only 0.2 km/s, and anything falling into Earth’s gravity well will end up going around 10 km/s, and comets usually hit the Earth going much faster because of their elliptical orbits. But, hey, what’s a factor of 10 or 100 between friends? And . . . mutations? Ummmm . . .

Firestone is further quoted as saying: “I’m not going to tell you that there’s Clovis people on the moon, or that they had a space program. But these particles look very much like the material that comes from the moon, which is the only place we’ve found with this same high titanium concentration.”

What the hell are we talking about here? Comets hitting the Earth that for some reason have composition similar to lunar samples? Comets hitting the Moon and causing lunar meteorites to hit the Earth? Connect the dots for me, will ya?

Then the reporter goes on to some reaction quotes from an Episcopal minister and amateur archaeologist, who has nothing substantive to say about the actual story, just some general rhapsodizing about digging on Clovis sites. This is the best source you could get? You couldn’t talk to another knowledgable archaeologist? Or an astronomer even?

Or DID you call up an astronomer, and spout some blather about supernovae and comets and moon rocks until they hung up on you?

I thought the whole thing was particularly bad, even for an AP story. I cannot find any other science stories with that reporter’s byline, and most of her other work appears to be on South Carolina court cases and politics, so maybe she got tasked to work this archaeology conference and isn’t actually a science writer. Still, a pretty piss-poor effort, I’d say.

NEWS UPDATE:

“Big gas planets found between Uranus and the asteroid belt.”

[sub]I’m terribly, terribly sorry.[/sub]

::Waves hands about wildly, and mutters something about shock fronts disturbing the delicate balance of the Oort cloud…::

It must be something like that, or maybe Nematodes?
The man has no proof that Clovis people are not on the moon!

I finally found a decent article, in case anyone is curious: http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=20058

Comets, it appears, were a red herring.

The point made in the OP is duly noted.

However, please remember that these wire service types (CNN was running a Reuters story) will probably write 5-6 stories a day.

With that kind of extreme deadline pressure, some mistakes are bound to get through.

The science reporter is only an “idiot” in the sense that he or she is for some reason still working for such an organization.

Yeeek maybe he cleans-up quite well, and looks fetching out of uniform?

:smack: I looked up his personal ad. I should have done so in my last post. Turns out he looks quite nice, without the cloak.

Color me confused. Wire services are invaluable in the world of journalism. You think the newsroom in, say, Saskatoon has a team of reporters stationed in the Middle East?

I’ll fault the reporter - if he’s a science reporter, his job is to take technical information and communicate that information to a non-technical population. Even if that is the convention within the astronomical community, the way he uses the term “size” makes it sound like Pluto and Charon are a lot closer in mass than they actually are. It’s sloppy - it sounds like he’s writing about something he doesn’t understand. (Much like the writer of the article you linked to.)

emphasis added.

:stuck_out_tongue:

Some darn interesting stuff that Podkayne presents but I’m with ya’, JerH… a factor of 4 is still a factor of 4. Unacceptably careless reporting there.

I guess I’ll have to take your word for it that “size” implies “mass” in the layman’s mind, but I still don’t think it’s that much of a gaffe, since the point remains that Pluto and Charon are more similar—in radius (whoops, almost wrote “size” again!) and mass—than any other planet and moon. I mean, we’re talking about a factor of four, here! .5 vs. 0.125. That’s practically the same number. :slight_smile:

The reporter even explicitly states that he (she?) is using the word “size” to mean diameter in the next paragraph:

[bolding mine] I think that makes it clear enough what “half of Pluto’s size” meant.

This I have to disagree with strongly. The article I linked to is garbage: quotes taken out of context strung together with word salad. That’s idiotic science reporting. The layman would find it nearly impossible to glean any correct information from it. I hope that even someone who knew little about astronomy could tell that it was just plain bad writing, and take the whole thing with a grain of salt.

By contrast, the Pluto article was written by someone who had a good grasp of the subject. I see very few minor mistakes (I would describe the Kuiper Belt Objects as icy and rocky, not just rocky, and the preliminary designations would actually be S/2005 P1 and S/2005 P2, not just P1 and P2) , and no major errors. It’s completely unfair to label the reporter as an idiot for one slightly unclear point in an otherwise solid article. Hell, for all whe know, the reporter might actually have had “in diameter” in both places, and it one of them got cut by the editor for space.

But then again, I missed the “radioactive radioactivity,” so what do I know? :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m really tired and maybe shouldn’t be posting but how did a factor of 8 in the OP becoma a factor of 4?
Since we are dealing with volume, when one diameter is twice as large as the other it is a difference of 8 (2[sup]3[/sup])and not 4(2[sup]2[/sup]) . The OP is right. How did the 4 get into the discussion?

The OP is *not * right, since we need not be dealing with volume. As has been stated several times. Size is not a scientific term and could properly refer to either volume or diameter. Since it was made clear that it referred to diameter, there was no foul on the part of the reporter.