If a plane crashes, are the landing fees refunded?

I don’t do much flying, but recently I was looking at ticket offers and this question came up. Airports charge a takeoff and landing fee for traffic to and from the facility. When you buy a plane ticket, this charge is added to the total (something like $2.75 for each airport) and paid in advance to the airline. If my plane should crash or divert to an airport with a lesser fee, is that charge or the difference refunded? If not, why not?

For those of you in general aviation, how are you charged these fees? At the time you file the flight plan? Or is there some airport thug waiting at the end of the runway? :wink:

That’s actually a pretty good question. Some airports have landing fees and some don’t. I learned to fly around Seattle, and Sea-Tac had landing fees, while Boeing Field, right next to it, didn’t, so not being a complete idiot, I never landed at Sea-Tac. I’ve avoided landing at any airports with landing fees because I’m a cheap sob. I’d think, though, that they’d charge you upon landing, either require you to stop by operations or the local fbo. Charging you beforehand wouldn’t make much sense, since landing at the field you file for is never a given.

I’d also assume that if your (commerical) plane crashes, and you live, they’d refund the entire amount of the ticket.

No doubt Johnny LA or another pilot on the boards can give you a better answer.

[sub]can I possibly be more humiliated for not knowing the answer to this damn question??? :)[/sub]

At least they could give your roommate straight A’s for the term.

Well, the landing-fee thing is pretty variable. As a pilot of a small plane so slow that it can be out-paced by a lot of cars driving these days, I tend to stay away from big airports like O’Hare, LAX, and LaGaurdia since flying my little 2-seater in there would be a lot like skate-boarding down an interstate. But if I did land there I would have to fork over some change.

Not everybody gets charged a landing fee. The airport in Lafayette Indiana, for instance, does not charge these fees to student pilots. Some airports only charge landing fees to commercial operations, or only to airplanes over a certain size. Fees are also variable in some places based on the size of your aircraft, weight, number of engines, etc. At Meigs Field in Chicago, for instance, last time I checked it was $27 for me to put wheels on the pavement, but some business twin-engines get charged hundreds of dollars for the same privilege. In some places, the landing fee is waived if you buy gas or something else.

For a general aviation pilot, you get charged after you land. Filing at the time of flight plan wouldn’t be practical - you could divert from your plan, meaning you never land at your original destination so the fee would need to be refunded, or maybe you wind up diverting to a fee-field mid-trip, in which case they’d have to collect after you land. Also, if you’re flying under “visual flight rules” you aren’t required to file any flight plan at all, even if you fly from one side of the country to the other. Flight plans in this country are only required for instrument-based flying or crossing the US borders. On a nice clear summer day most general aviation flights drop in to airports without prior notification. Anyhow, there’s a front desk where you hand over money for fuel, oil, and anything else you need to pay for, including landing fees. There are always folks hanging around at these places watching what’s going on. If you land then take off without paying they write down your tail number (unique to each airplane) then go to FAA to find out who owns the airplane and come after you with a bill. This also brings you to the notice of the FAA, who can make your life very unpleasent if they choose to do so. It’s debatable which is worse - an IRS audit or an FAA investigation. If only for that reason, most folks pay up honestly.

There is a rural airstrip out here (and we’re using the term “airport” very loosely in this case) that has the audacity to charge a landing fee. It’s basically a divot carved into a cornfield, at one time paved but not maintained since (I think they have a fish farm in one of the potholes), and the centerline must have been painted by someone under the influence of something because it wavers back and forth, most of the time being a 1/3-2/3 line rather than down the center. The owner generally plays the role of “airport thug”, if he happens to be around at the time. So you get the occassional spectacle of a John Deere chasing an airplane across a field with the tractor driver screaming dire imprecations at the pilot. I don’t know if he ever collects or not. Last time I flew in there he wasn’t around, and I was almost disappointed. There aren’t a whole lot of things you can outrun in a Cessna 150, but a farm tractor is one of them and it would have been nice to NOT be the slowest thing around for a change.

Of course, the thing to do would be to check the tarrif.
The tarrifs used to be online, but I couldn’t find them.

I had a dispute with United a year or so ago, and, if I recall correctly, Rule 240 of the United tarrif says that if your flight is cancelled or diverted, you get a refund if you want. I would imagine most courts would see a plane crash as a contructive cancellation/diversion.

Knowing United, they’d probably try to reduce your refund by the amount it would cost to fly from your city of origin to wherever the plane crashed.

And forget about them paying for a hotel room . . .

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m too cheap to land at an airport that charges a landing fee. One good thing about flying in this coutry is that landing fees are fairly rare.

As to paying to land at “a divot carved into a corn field”, it’s a privately-owned strip. The owner has a right to charge a fee, just as the owner of other land might charge a fee for hunters to hunt there or for campers to camp. Sure, it would be nice to have someone say, “Aviation is so important to me that I’ll make a landing strip and let people use it free” (Hey, I’m putting a lot of work and a little expense into my page dedicated to 1945-1949 Willys Jeeps, just because I love the vehicle.) But there may be other pressures. For example, I just read (in AOPA Pilot) about a small airport up the California coast. The town wants to close this historical site and build houses and mini-malls. Since the airport is privately owned it doesn’t get government funds. The owner must charge a fee if the airport is to remain open.

But the OP refers, I think, to commercial flights. As I said, I have no information; but I would assume that the airline would refund the cost of the ticket in its entirety.

Oops. I forgot to put “.com” on the url for “my page”. :o

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Hey, I don’t have a problem with the concept of paying for use of private land (and you’re right, the “cornfield divot” is privately owned) but this guys charges for what is almost a landing-gear removal station. I don’t have a problem forking over a few bucks to a private owner, and I’ve flown into and out of some very nice turf strips that way. I understand that mowing the grass on a lawn 50 feet wide and 3000 feet long is a pain in the butt, as well as keeping up any other facilities they have around the place. But the “cornfield divot” guy doesn’t bother to keep the place up, he’s just hoping to part the pilots from their money.

For the most part, though, I avoid places that charge landing fees - aviation is expensive enough.