If Apple has sued Apple, why hasn't RCA sued Sirius?

Many of us are familiar with the long-lived legal wranglings between Apple Records and the Apple Computer company.

With this in mind, I am surprised that the R.C.A. folks has not sued Sirius Radio for a similar kind of infringement. R.C.A. of course is the Radio Corporation of America- surely a company dedicated to delivering radio broadcasts. Sirius Radio is a satellite-based radio delivery service.

Why do I even ask this? Because Sirius uses a dog as a company icon, and so does R.C.A. It’s interesting to me that such a parallel situation exists and yet we’ve never heard boo from R.C.A. about a trademark infringement on the use of a dog image by a deliverer of radio broadcasts.

Why? In the case of Apple v.s. Apple, it’s about content delivery and exclusive rights therein using the name Apple, but both of these radio companies are using identical ( well, nearly identical but surely the same IDEA ) icons.

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First, Apple Computer had a contract with Apple Records saying they wouldn’t get into the music business: that’s the basis for the suit.

RCA has no such contract with Sirius.

Second, there is no RCA anymore; it was bought up by General Electric years ago.

Third, the RCA trademark isn’t a dog: it’s Nipper the Dog. Sirius uses a dog, but that’s obviously a reference to the dog star. Also the dog is not shown listening to a gramophone, as the RCA logo does. RCA can’t stop people from using dogs as their logo; they can only sue if the logo can be confused with theirs.

Fourth, RCA never did radio broadcasts; they sold radios and records. It was their subsidiary, NBC, that did the broadcasting. The Nipper logo was never used for broadcasting: it was used for radios and recordings. Since the Sirius and RCA logos were for different products, much like Apple Computers and Apple Records were different products. There’s not much of a case for infringement.

Sirius dog is the dog of the constellatin “Sirius”, and is drawn that way; RCA’s dog is a photographed pet beagle who mistakes the sound coming from a victrola for being his master, and has recently been joined by a puppy. RCA and Sirius are spelled and pronounced differently, while “Apple” and “Apple” aren’t. There’s no concievable chance that the two trademarks can be confused.

Well, the original Apple trademark suit decision was (IMHO) pretty much a travesty. After all, there was really no way to confuse a Granny Smith apple with a rainbow colored apple with a bite out of it. And Apple Computers was clearly different from Apple Corp. Records.

<nitpick>Actually, Sirius is the name of a star in the constellation Canis Major.

Once again: Apple Computer signed a contract saying they’d refrain from entering the music business; that’s the basis for the suit.

Second, the logos are not the issue. It was the use of the word “Apple” in both company names. Apple Records had no issue with Apple making computers at all and agreed with your point about them being different at the time.

But that’s not relevant. Apple computer is being sued because they are going into the music business, despite promising (via an enforceable contracts) they would not.

Apple Computer signed an agreement. They are supposed to abide by it. Or can anyone just tear up a contract because situations change?

Oh no, RealityChuck. I agree, one can NOT just tear up a contract, and I’m a big fan of Apple computer products.

I was referring more to trademarked imagery than the music infringement issues.

A dog is a dog is a dog. :smiley:

I was referring to the original decision, way back whenever. That was a travesty.

The current case hinges on whether distributing music falls into the allowed activities of their contract or not.

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The model for the original painting of Nipper, the RCA dog, was a mixed breed:

No beagle. Carry on.

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That’s what I get for trying to act like I knew something about dogs. Or constellations.

There was no decision. They settled out of court, because Apple Records agreed that despite the blatant and openly admitted trademark violation, nobody would confuse a computer company for a music label. So Apple Computer signed a contract that they’d never go into the music buisness, so that the two Apples could never be in conflict.

They went into the music buisness, and broke the contract. At the very least, Apple Computer owes Apple Music whatever they would have gotten had they gone to court, plus interest.

The 1991 agreement said that Apple computer couldn’t distribute music media, but specifically allowed data transfer. The question is whether .aac files are music media or data transfer.

I’ve read in multiple places the logo IS part of the issue

“In the suit, Apple Corps is seeking an injunction requiring Apple Computer to remove the bitten-apple logo from iTunes.”

“Mr. Vos argued on Wednesday that although services like iTunes were permissible, Apple Computer should stay out of the music business if it uses the logo, a cartoonish apple with a neat bite out of its side. Apple Corps’ logo is a green Granny Smith apple.”

Brian

Well, hey, if two companies using dogs in their logos is an issue, how about all of the companies which have people in their logos? Any two people will look a lot more alike than two dogs of different breeds, or the Sirius and RCA dogs.

Incidentally, I’m not sure how one can get that the Sirius logo is modelled on the constellation of Canis Major, since the CMa dog is facing right and jumping, while the Sirius dog is facing left and sitting.