I was going to reply to all that piece by piece, but you are all over the place so I’m just going to reply in general. You seem to, on the one hand, acknowledge that the reasons for their coverup were corruption and general secrecy and paranoia (I agree with all of this), but then you are splitting hairs about Covid and asking me for cites (which you have already acknowledged we don’t have and can’t get because, you know, all that secrecy stuff). Covid-19 (or SARS-CoV-2 or whatever its official name is) IS a bat corona virus, exactly what they were studying. Officially, as far as we know, what they were studying wasn’t exactly the same strain or whatever as Covid-19 (I’ve seen folks stating that it was 96% similar, or whatever percentagain)…but that’s what we know of. So, on the one hand you acknowledge a cover up, then ask me for a cite for info you seem to understand we can’t get and don’t have.
Anyway, moving on, I won’t get into the face thing, as to me that’s a perception thing. Why have they lost face with is fairly easy to ascertain, as it’s many other countries and even internally, but that’s going to be subjective.
This part:
Actually, I’ve heard even earlier, but since we don’t know let’s go with November. So, say by mid-November there is an international team in China looking at what’s going on, compiling data, studying the effects. By December they know, for a fact, that it’s human to human transmissible and that it’s highly contagious. They can then warn their own governments and the international community that this is happening, give details on what exactly is happening and how to start screening for it and put in travel restrictions. Also, they can start preparing their own health systems on what to look for and to be aware this is happening. It’s all about that early preparation and knowledge, in starting to understand what is happening and the magnitude of what could happen. Instead of in February when they had to figure it out first hand because it was exploding in Europe and they weren’t prepared.
You can call BS all you want, but you’d have to give some rationale as to why early preparation and onsite knowledge wouldn’t have done what it’s done in other potential pandemic situations in the past. Hell, you’d have to explain why the CDC, WHO, and other agencies even bother with onsite inspection teams and early observers in the past or why we spend money on that in the going forward if it does nothing. I’m guessing however that you can’t do that because it’s a silly argument that flies in the face of past experience AND the protocols and procedures that are used to combat pandemics. To me, this is all about handwaving away the CCP’s actions and justifying them with basically ‘well, it would have happened anyway, so no big deal’…which IS BS.
I can’t believe you are even saying this…or why, if you don’t know this, I’m bothering arguing with you. You weren’t aware that the CDC has sent observers to other outbreaks, such as the ebola epidemic in 2014-2016? That they have teams that are set up specifically for this purpose to travel on short notice? And that they aren’t exactly the only such agency in the world who has this??
The rest of your post was just either talking past what I’m saying or just wrong. The main point is that, while we may not have had a vaccine much earlier, having a vaccine wasn’t and isn’t the point of early contact observation and data collection. Basically, you don’t need a vaccine if you contain the early outbreak. That’s kind of why we have organizations who go in and do observation and assistance early on…and that’s kind of what the Chinese blocked and smoke-screened, buying key time for Covid-19 to spread worldwide and to catch many, if not most countries health care systems off guard and out of position.