What planet do you live on?
Evangelicals are freakish when it comes to the homos gaying their kids, gays making them bake cakes, trans pervs stalking bathrooms, scientists telling them evolution is a thing, hussies getting abortions, sex ed teaching kids to fuck and anyone getting between them and the riches God will bestow upon them any day.
No need for racism. That’s just bonus material.
I will go on record as a person on this board on the left end of politics who agrees with this post, in particular the part I bolded. I know a large number of evangelicals who have been very clear they do not like Trump but because of the death of Scalia and what that meant regarding possibly overturning Roe v Wade they would be voting for the GOP. Hypocritical and a betrayal of their Christian values, yes. But it doesn’t automatically make them racist.
If Pence were the replacement I suspect the hardcore Trumpist MAGAts would be less than enthusiastic and not as likely to turn out in November largely because he is not a demagogue. Gym Jeffries, Pompeo or one of the other Trumpish bullies in the GOP would be much more to their liking. Ivanka would likely be seen as too nice also. Of the Trumps I would think they would most likely go with Donald Jr.
Have you ever met one who is not a racist?
I am sure every last one would deny being racist.
How many Hispanics or African Americans are in their church? How many have a non-white neighbor? How many would be ok with their child dating someone of another race? I won’t even start on gay or trans people.
The vast majority I know personally are not racist. I know that because of their behavior and their actions.
I’m sure you would deny being a racist as well. I don’t accept that denying being a racist is automatically reason to suspect a person is one.
Of the ones I have personal knowledge of I would estimate ~15% of their church members would fall in the non-white category. I know a fair number who have family members who have dated and married someone of another race.
Since I am a gay man I can speak to this specifically from my personal experience. People who have expressed anti-gay or anti-trans attitudes to me have come from all walks of life and religions. Just because some Evangelicals behave one way toward these groups doesn’t mean they all do.
And as for your link above, conmen like Joel Osteen are not representative of the the evangelicals I know personally. They have expressed their dislike of his message and how he conducts himself on numerous occasions.
I don’t deny Evangelicals and other Christians have a very poor track record in this area. As a group they definitely have a long way to go still. But for someone to lump them all together and assume they all think and act the same way regarding race or gay/trans people would be incorrect.
Many, Probably, Many, Many
Do you know any evangelicals personally? Try (gasp) making a friend who is an evangelical; they’re not all bad.
Evangelicals generally frown on the prosperity gospel.
And you’re painting with a rather broad brush there, don’t you think?
I don’t think you actually know what “evangelical” means. Might be worth a little research.
If I may junior mod a bit, I think we are taking the thread far off topic.
Anyway, if Trump croaks, I think Pence is just too milquetoast for the job (and he isn’t even ambitious enough.)
It would need to be someone quite charismatic. A woman like Nikki Haley might also serve as a counterweight against Biden’s planned woman VP pick.
Haley, Sasse, Cotton, would probably be the top 3 choices. The Republican Party will want to seize this opportunity to move away from Trump while not suffering any consequences from Trump’s base by doing so.
Agreed it would have to be someone with charisma but it would have to be enough to appeal to the Trump supporters who turned out for DJT in 2016. My gut tells me they would want more of a rabblerouser than any of those three.
I think Pence has plenty of ambition and wants to be President. It’s just that anyone looks meek and mild when they’re standing next to Donald Trump.
I’ve never bought into the Nikki Haley movement. I think that’s a case of conservatives believing their own bullshit. They keep telling people that liberals practice identity politics and just vote for people because they’re black or female and they’ve convinced themselves it’s actually true. So they think all they have to do is wave Nikki Haley in front of Democrats and they’ll be helpless; they’ll be compelled by their love of identity politics to vote for her.
It’s nonsense. Conservatives are projecting their own identity politics on to their opponents (the Republicans have built themselves up as the party for, of, and about white men). Democrats aren’t going to vote for somebody just because she’s a woman or because she’s vaguely ethnic. They’ll look at her record and reject her because she’s a conservative. And then the backlash will be in the Republican base where a lot of right wing voters will refuse to vote for Haley because she’s not a white man.
No, I do not think I am wrong. If I did I would think something else.
There are a LOT of examples of evangelical megachurches preaching the prosperity gospel. And they are doing quite well. Huge congregations. Just check cable or YouTube. These churches are making a fortune. And this is not new…its been going on at least since the 700-Club formed (that was back in the 60s).
They vote for conservatives by a landslide but why? Jesus was a decidedly liberal person. He was the original hippy.
Show me the evangelicals who opposed Trump. I have no doubt you can find a few (I even remember a few trying to stand by their religious beliefs and oppose Trump). Yet most of them, by a long shot, voted for Trump.
It seems to me you are the one who needs to show evangelicals are god fearing, moral people who abide by their beliefs and would never vote for a philandering liar for president.
I sure hope she’d be a viable candidate! I’m low on blonde jokes!