Well, he never said you had to KEEP them out. Just bus them to the border, let them out on the other side, and remind them that if they haven’t got their wallets on them then they can probably call somebody collect to come fetch them.
So did the United States violate Iraq’s territorial integrity by invading in 2003?
That’s the post you respond to? None of the ones that asked what your border goal was?
:rolleyes:
Eta: not to mention what an idiotic response it was. The free movement of people concept doesn’t include military invasions.
The wall will cause environmental consequences according to this website
You mean like getting paid?
I think Dubya actually gets to take credit for that. Tank the economy, drive up unemployment and suddenly the U.S. isn’t the deep pocket immigrants think it’s going to be.
Then I won’t imply it: I’ll flat out state it. The handwringing over the southern border and not the northern one is racist. Heck, you yourself state that having a 'shared British colonial heritage" is why Canadian illegal immigration is OK. Surely you can see how that statement is racist, yes?
US Customs has been warning for years that immigration across the Canadian border poses a much larger threat to the US than immigration across the Mexican one, but I’ve yet to hear a “border wall” fan who thinks that US/Canada needs one (well, except from the Canadians themselves, but I’m pretty sure (?) they’re joking).
No.
The problem with invasions is the killing people and smashing their shit part, not the crossing an arbitrary and morally-irrelevant line on a map part.
In this thread I am asking everyone for their views on what the border should have (since everyone’s goals are different,) it’s not like asking “Here is what I want, now what would fit my (the OP)'s goals?”
But - I think that the border should feature a wall, but also a lot of refuge shelters for immigrants who are trying to flee drug violence, trafficking, etc. They can reside in the shelters while the US government sorts out their case - although you know there are some folks who will ludicrously wrongly compare such refuge shelters to Japanese-American internment camps in WWII or something.
The French had those sort of things near the borders to look after refugees from the last Spanish Civil War.
Arthur Koestler stayed in one.
There’s occasionally some officials who worry about a greater terrorism threat through the Canadian border, largely BS imho. But advocates of a southern wall usually aren’t talking about protection from terrorists. It’s usually violent drug smugglers and illegal labour. Plus the sheer volume of illegal border crossings.
And I didn’t say ‘a shared British heritage is why Canadian illegal immigration is ok’. I made a joke about 'what’s between Canada and the U.S. ’ Sheesh.
I think ice cream stands would be good. It’s hot there. I like shave ice better but I want to appeal to a broader swath of the population.
Your lockless river would be flowing because the sea levels of the Atlantic and Pacific are not the same (the water would flow towards the Atlantic).
How’s about we just make Mexico a state?
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Let’s talk about what a closed and I mean really closed border would look like. (Trigger warning: hyperbole follows)
First of all, it would be militarized to a degree that would make the DMZ in Korea look like a playground at McDonalds. Posse Comitatus would have to be thrown out the window because this border will require real, trained, trigger-happy soldiers and lots of them. These soldiers have one single order: shoot to kill.
The border itself will have to be vigorously salted with land mines. Now since Mexicans are clever they may devise a means for setting the mines off and clearing a pathway through. Therefore there will need to be a constant combat air patrol consisting of A-10 Warthogs, laden to their maximum carrying capacity with napalm canisters. Whenever a landmine goes off the airstrike goes in, bombing everything south of the detonation for a couple of miles. Complimentary artillery strikes and MLRS barrages to follow along with some Tomahawk missile strikes on the nearest Mexican town that the wannabe immigrants could have come from. Navy SEAL teams on hot standby, ready to helicopter across the border for the purpose of executing survivors.
Speaking of executions, there will need to be a number of them within the United States as well. But you do not want to round people up into camps so that they can make musicals about how terrible their internment was 70 years later. No, this roundup is meant to put the Japanese internment camps to shame! This roundup will cause Hitler’s corpse to get a hard-on! Death camps? Who has time for that shit? We’re not going to hire a bunch of Mexicans just so they can put up a fence so that other Mexicans can be shot/gassed/immolated/etc on the other side of it! No, to prevent the Hispanic population from providing support to their own from the US side we will need to execute every single Hispanic in the country. All of them, no matter where they are or who they are. Shot dead on sight or should we be so fortunate as to find a group of them together (plotting to take American jobs of course) the combat air patrol can take care of it with 500lbs of high explosive Made in the USA. Sorry Danny Trejo! Well, that one might not be so easy. Sorry Michelle Rodriguez! Sorry Clifton Collins Jr! Sorry Christina Aguilera! We know where your real loyalties lie so now you get to lie with them, in a crater.
Now at first people will bitch and complain about genocide and mass murder and all that hippie-dippy bullshit that upsets liberals so much. But pretty soon a bunch of jobs will open up, jobs Americans would love to have! There will be crops to pick and toilets to scrub and so many opportunities in landscaping and housekeeping and all those other wonderful jobs that allow a person to really live the American dream! And maybe you’re thinking yes, but hard working Americans need a good supply of cocaine to keep their dreams alive and the only place to get it is from south of the border. What is a patriotic American to do? Well, Walter WHITE will just have to ramp up meth production and he’ll pay American teenagers (who would have been murder victims if they kept hanging around with sketchy Mexicans) to learn how to cook and provide for the USA’s stimulant needs. But meth isn’t as good as coke one might say. Well, how would you know? Have you tried it? Don’t believe the lies of the liberal media who try to seduce you wtih Colombian marching powder! Don’t do drugs unless they’re stamped just like the bombs: Made in the US of A!
Eventually the Mexicans will get wise to the string of bomb craters across the border and they’ll stay south so the campaign to secure the border will have to follow them. The major cities can be cleansed using high-yield, low radiation nuclear weapons developed by American scientists like Albert Einstein. The smaller cities will have to taken out by tanks, artillery and airstrikes because nuclear explosions cannot sustain the American attention span once the mushroom cloud goes flaccid. To ensure the interest of the public at large I suggest one of those bleeding heart fake news channels like CNN be taken out back and executed to be replaced with a 24 hour network devoted to America’s valiant war effort. We will give this network a simple and decisive name that shows America’s resolve. It will be known as The Violence Channel. It can be hosted by those Fox News ladies who left because of Roger Ailes. Now that he is dead they can dust off their leather miniskirts and get back to keeping America hard and focused.
The military campaign to eliminate Mexico should only take a couple of weeks since the gloves will be off completely and there will be no prisoners and no rules of engagement. The military will continue rolling south into those other crappy little countries that hang off of Mexico like dingleberries caught in ass pubes. Eliminating them will be as simple as wiping an American ass with American toilet paper! And once the Panama canal has been reached we find a barrier that they dare not swim across because even if they survive being shot and bombed along the way they still have to walk through the blasted kinda-sorta radioactive landscape of what used to be Mexico.
Now that’s how you secure a goddamn border like an American!
Well, you see, some folks want to think of the USA as a giant gated community. In the south that means actual walls topped with concertina wire and hordes of combat troops locked and loaded. On the north side of the community we can get by with just a few security guards and polite “No Trespassing” signage because that end of the community abuts a much nicer, whiter neighborhood.
When I look at your last link to the Google image search I am reminded of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters. The giant rubber ducky is so benign looking it’s actually terrifying.
Are there numbers for how many Canadians give birth in the USA for citizenship benefits?
See to do that the best way is not to “prevent wire transfers back to latin america” (which is more or less impossible with the way the internet works now). The solution is to harshly enforce penalties against employers who hire workers who don’t have a work permit. That is actually how must countries deal with the issue, do random inspections against employers, if violations are found the employer gets a substantial fine for each worker without a visa that allows working.
Once it’s perceived as too risky for employers to hire undocumented immigrants the problem diminishes greatly.
Didn’t mean to include those that did. Only those who seem to think the question shouldn’t even be asked.
No argument from me there (minus some of the hyperbole and a few of your details). I agree completely.
Go after those that hire illegals and ramp up the punishments against them. From anywhere, not just Mexico. This isn’t a Mexico only issue.
One of the stranger options I’ve heard floated about is allowing people in on temporary work permits and pay them what they’re presumably making now - less.
Uh, no. Anyone working in the US should be paid whatever anyone else in the US would make. What that is (the minimum wage) I think is debatable, but allowing people in simply to take advantage of them because they’ll work for less is bizarre and wrong.
Where we differ even more is on the idea of a wall, fence, or what-have-you. If there are places with unfettered travel between the countries, take whatever means necessary to stop it. That’s not how we (or frankly other nations) work. Twenty foot wall here? Ok. Fence over there? Alright. Nothing there? Makes sense.
Same with the border with Canada? Absolutely, if the need is shown. Why not?
Finally, to those arguing the wall/fence/etc is an expense without a return… So what? Who said there needs to be one? Fire departments don’t make a profit. Sane with a wall.