Would it go down enough to offset the rise in unemployment resulting from millions of consumers leaving the market? I don’t know how many there are, but there are definitely Americans out there whose wages are supported by illegal immigrants.
So are you against raising the minimum wage?
There are enough able-bodied Americans who would like part-time or full-time work to replace the manual labor type of jobs illegals typically occupy.
Not at all. The amount of jobs stays the same. How many USA citizens are out of the labor force?
In June 2016, A record 94,708,000 Americans were not in the labor force. Granted some are too old, but many are able bodied to work.
Illegals maybe have 10,000,000 jobs, so its plausible almost all of the jobs illegals have would be share shifted.
I can’t get why you think you can make any assertions based on two random numbers like that. I mean “maybe” they have 10M jobs? “Granted” your first number doesn’t accurately reflect the number of job seekers? Anyway here’s some numbers from Pew Research
Nevermind. Made the same point Silver Lining did in post #122
There are enuf but they simply wont do them.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-09/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs
Not even for $16/hr. *Some farmers are even giving laborers benefits normally reserved for white-collar professionals, like 401(k) plans, health insurance, subsidized housing and profit-sharing bonuses. Full-timers at Silverado Farming, for example, get most of those sweeteners, plus 10 paid vacation days, eight paid holidays, and can earn their hourly rate to take English classes.
But the raises and new perks have not tempted native-born Americans to leave their day jobs for the fields. Nine in 10 agriculture workers in California are still foreign born, and more than half are undocumented, according to a federal survey.*
My position on minimum wage is that it’s too nuanced for me to give a blanket answer. I am all in favor of everyone being paid a wage sufficient enough to live on. But I also know absolutely nothing about the economics and politics involved in such a viewpoint being feasible, so I’m reluctant to commit to more than just an abstract, ignorant opinion.
I hope that helps. Knowing me, though, I’m sure it didn’t.
The forest border looks like this:
With occasional markers like this:
In populated areas it looks like this:
http://www.washingtonstarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/US%20canada%20border%204.jpg
If not a wall, what should there be at the border?
A line of fan dancers. (Sorry, it’s been an odd day.)
Dam up both ends of the Rio Grande river. Drain it. Turn it into a mine field. 
I think the manufacturer who makes Lego for North America is in Mexico, actually. I haven’t dug that deep into it, but it looks like Lego moved their North America production out of the USA ten years ago?
World War Z-1, or the upcoming World War Z-2? … they will be back …
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Migrant Labor
No one has brought this up yet so perhaps undocumented Mexicans aren’t a big part of this labor force … this is based on what I observed when I lived in the California Central Valley … let’s start with the typical cherry orchard operation, the farmer and his family can handle all the work involved except harvest, they have to hire 37 people to come in for two weeks and pick the fruit, but that’s not enough for these workers to survive the other 50 weeks a year … so these worker move on and pick cucumbers for a month, then over to peaches, almonds, lettuce, etc etc etc … then as Fall sets in they head back to their permanent homes in Mexico … and return the following Spring to run the loop again …
This system is basically set in stone … the productivity of California agriculture has been formed with migrant labor … reducing this labor force will have severe consequences to the food supply of the United States … I understand with the higher prices for California produce people will buy other foods … but which other foods, all the animal fodder they grow in the Midwest? … we can have Iowa farmers start growing food for human consumption but then we’ll need migrant labor in Iowa … [sigh] …
If you’re expecting Anglo-Americans to rush in and take those jobs and live that lifestyle … they already would have … but it’s just too damn expensive to over-winter in the USA compared to over-wintering in Mexico … it’s not that white people won’t do the work, white people won’t live the lifestyle of moving place-to-place every few weeks, living in tents, cooking on open fires, teaching their own children how to read and write …
(Although a diet of field corn and soybeans would be healthier …)
How about what there is already?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170714/eb88b338c18b16c0688bbc9a5f7151b2.jpg
It needs to be 10 feet taller. And beautiful.
Yeah.
Either that, or a welcome mat that says something like “Give us your tired, your poor…”
I have my grandfather’s naturalization certificate framed and hanging on my wall.
Might as well just drop this here…
Gotta be able to see through it at spots, because otherwise somebody might throw a sixty pound bag of drug over the wall and it might land on somebody. I swear, I am not making this up! So, transparency.
(With my luck, be walking along and somebody throws over a sack of automatic weapons and ammo. Better than meth, I guess.)
With ads. And solar powered apparently.
People need to think outside the box.
A high wall is needed in heavy traffic areas. In other more remote parts of the desert, perhaps a fence, but behind the fence, how about a railroad like a base for border patrols to travel ( and launch their cars ), and a fleet of drones to locate those trying to cross?
For the kicker, satellite imagery to stop drug trafficking or human trafficking.
1 )Yes, they do. And they are not supposed to be here. Do the elementary deduction. If they stop coming or are deported, crime goes down.
2 ) Who says just a wall? I want drone patrol and satellite imagery to detect tunnels, combined with a railroad for mobile bases.
3 ) I disagree with that, if illegals leave that are not counted for jobs, American Citizens will take some of them, lowering un-employment.
Illegal immigrants are only more likely to commit crimes if you count the crime of them being here at all. Take that out of the counting, and they commit significantly less.
And adding people to the economy doesn’t decrease the number of jobs available; it increases it. You work for a company that provides some product or service. People buy that product or service. If there are more people, then there are more people buying that product or service, and hence more job openings in your job.