If not here, then where?

My buddy bought a car wash a few years ago. The place was a certifiable shithole when he bought it. There was no sewer connection and wastewater drained directly into a local stream. The place was run down and disgusting.

My friend decided to take this shithole of a car wash and turn it into a model for environmentally-friendly businesses. And he’s done a kick-ass job of it.

He connected to the sewer system. To further lessen the impact of the business on the water supply, he mandated biodegradable soaps and put in a recovery system to treat wastewater. Solar panels went up on the roof. Special furnaces were installed to take the waste oil from oil changes and burn it to heat the facility.

Most of these improvements take a while to pay off. It will take years to realize the investment on the solar system, for instance. But my buddy wanted to do the right thing. Sure enough, he was recognized with the NJ Governor’s Environmental Excellence Award.

Then he got the idea for the windmill…

A wind turbine would provide only about 15% of the electricity that powers the facility. But hey - my buddy was willing to make the investment to install one and take advantage of some rebates from the government. Really, it’s part of his mission to show people that businesses can cost-effectively take advantage of green technologies that will pay off in the long haul.

I don’t think he anticipated the NIMBYism.

There’s more background here on his blog , but the net-net is that certain township politicians and neighbors have objected strongly to the idea of putting a wind turbine on his property. They objected primarily due to aesthetics, but since then have been waging a war by fearmongering.

They post videos to message boards showing exploding turbines, implying that the thing will one day simply explode and shower debris all over the place. (See post #3214, which I can’t directly link to.)

They invent ridiculous claims that kids at a day care center next door are going to be hit by ice chunks from the windmill’s blades.

They object on grounds that the windmill will decrease property values by spoiling the view at a number of homes up the hill from the car wash. (Currently, the view from these homes consists of - well, the back of a car wash.)

They speculate that turning blades will distract drivers on the highway and cause them to get into accidents.

My ass.

My buddy has been really accommodating. He’s funded studies to address concerns about noise and about killing birds. He’s hired people to make sure he’s in compliance with all sorts of ordinances concerning noise. He’s already spent $25K over two years trying to cut through the red tape.

Meanwhile, local politicians are eager to take credit for supporting clean energy, while fighting my buddy’s efforts at the same time. It’s hypocritical as hell.

We’re talking about putting a windmill at a car wash on a busy highway, not in the middle of a nature preserve. NIMBYism has run amuck. And I fear that my buddy’s only recourse is to either abandon the effort and suck up the $25K loss, or proceed with a smaller turbine that wouldn’t require a variance. Of course, the smaller turbine wouldn’t generate anything close to the 15% of the facility’s energy like the larger one would. But I think he’s prepared to go with the smaller one if his efforts to install the larger one are thwarted.

It just really bugs me that there’s so much that already stands in the way of investing in green technologies. These systems are expensive, and they take a while to produce a reasonable return on investment. I think folks should embrace it when someone like my buddy comes along and wants to make these investments.

Customers already tell him that the reason they go to his car wash is because he’s making an effort to be environmentally friendly. So he is making headway in terms of being recognized locally as a business that cares about the environment. I just think it’s a shame that NIMBYists reject his good intentions in favor of the status quo. It makes me wonder when people are going to wake up with respect to the energy issues we face in the U.S.

One suggestion: When customers tell him that they patronize his business because he’s environmentally friendly, he should pass on to them the names of the local politicians and others who are fighting his efforts. Have him ask his customers if they would take the time to lend a little support to offset the efforts of his opponents.

How the heck do you spoil the view of any part of NJ?

Lights?

Superfund.

Amazing how stupid those people arguing with him sound. That windmill self-destruct was pretty recent… some googling indicates it was in Denmark in January. Maybe he could find out what the wind speed was during that storm, or at the very least ask those morons how the wind speed in their town compares to the wind speed in the middle of a goddamn storm on the coast of friggin’ Denmark.

I don’t get the “spoil the view” argument. Am I the only one who thinks windmills are pretty?

You too, eh?

Wow, Maastricht. Thanks for pointing out that other thread, since I rarely venture into GD. I’ll read it in between my next couple meetings.

I had thought that windmill explosion video was a fake, but I haven’t had time to really look into it. I’m just so surprised that everyone out there in Jersey seems to be reaching for excuses.

Someone even raised the spectre of something called Wind Turbine Syndrome. Does such a thing exist? Sounds like a stretch to me.

I applaud your friend’s efforts, I really do. I wish there were more like him.

However, how the heck is he going to recoup all that outlay with a car wash? I’m possibly a bit ignorant of the car wash business, so I could be completely wrong in thinking he’s going to have a hard row to hoe there.

I would love to have a view of a wind turbine.

I would like to take all the naysayers on a field trip to a steam generating station, or a nuclear power station, or any of the other industrial type eyesores that feed our ever growing power needs. Those things, while necessary at the moment because they’re the status quo, are freakin’ UGLY. How would they like to take on fighting one of those things being built on a nice piece of vacant land? That’s what happens when they won’t put up with the smaller, greener, technologies. No solar power or windmills? Ok then. Have a big new power plant in your backyard to put up with the demand. That’ll learn ya.
I like windmills. I live a few miles down I-10 from where we have some of the biggest windmill farms in the state. They’re mesmerizing if you get a chance to watch them, but it’s no big deal if you’re say, busy being the one driving. They’re a lot less ugly and damaging than a power plant.

People suck.

Wind Turbine Syndrome

Oh yeah, and here’s a story on the “threat” to whooping cranes, an endangered species, by wind turbines.

Oddly enough, they cannot document a single whooping crane being killed by a wind turbine. Go figure. :rolleyes:

Someday I’m going to win the lottery, build a “green” house, and include a backyard windmill without a permit.

When the city takes me to court for building something “aesthetically unpleasing” I’m going to to take pictures of my city’s main drag to court. You know, that section of town that’s nothing but powerlines, concrete, and strip malls. I’m really looking forward to hearing about why the city won’t clean that place up.

Of course, I’m also looking forward to winning the lottery, so…

If I’m not mistaken, the recent video making the rounds of the turbine exploding had to do with the turbine’s governor going kerflooie. Normally, the governor would keep it from turning that fast and shearing off.

A high wind could take one down - but a high wind can also take down trees, electrical poles…

Is this a carwash or the BioDome??

Damn, I’ll bet it costs more than 75 cents for 3 minutes of the hose…

That makes a lot of sense. My thought on watching it was slightly different, that it was a film of a turbine deliberately being tested to destruction.

Oh, well, they never said it actually killed any cranes; it only *threatened * to kill cranes.